"After 7 Drafts, I Finally Knew It Was Good Enough" | Navigating the Creative Journey with Abe Knapp

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You have that passion that most people really would like to have.

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It is so easy to get jaded in the craft.

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You need to keep making things for yourself.

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For such a long time I was so afraid of actually going out and doing this.

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There's this sense of uncertainty that you're scared in terms of will it work out or will it not work out?

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It's, can I effectively pull off something that is worth someone's time.

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There's something inside me right that says you've got to tell people stories and you've got to shine light on things that people wouldn't shine light on.

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I need to be constantly making or I'm just going to drown.

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In our creative industry, we feel like we have to play catch up or else if we don't do something while everyone else is doing especially the heroes that we look up to yeah, it puts a lot of pressure if you don't get that under control you will start to feel burned out and all that.

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My fear is me being changed as a person.

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If I make a handful of things that touch people that are that are close to me, that's all that matters.

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But it is so much harder to connect to people that don't have a dream.

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It's easier right when it's someone who wants to go the same way as I'm going.

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I think you can craft stronger friendships by crafting strong art.

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In other words trauma bonding.

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Trauma bond, because film is trauma bond because film is trauma bonding before we get started.

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Dude, how are you, I'm good.

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You know I had the little drive over here, my um.

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I live in santa rosa, so I just well, actually so I we were at the beach today.

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My cousins are in town, my grandparents are in town, had a little time over there.

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I've been lucky enough to just chill out at the beach for a while.

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I hate the beach, but good for you, you hate the beach.

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I have hearing aids, which means I've had a bad experience with my friends whenever we were at the beach and I take out my hearing aids, I'm useless.

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They know that I'm there, but I they know that I can't talk because it's hard to hear.

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shoot yeah, the beach, yeah, exactly I get.

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Go on.

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You went to the beach I went to the beach, drove over here.

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Really haven't done that much, okay, other than the grandparents being in town.

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I end up shuttling people around a lot just in the truck, um, just parked outside.

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But overall, you know, it's been a chill day, it's been a chill day.

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It is sunday you know I'm glad to be here.

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Dude, this is gonna be.

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Yes, you're that guy.

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He's glad to be here.

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Don't forget to leave a review on yelp.

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I will put and record on yelp.

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Please give me a five star so people can actually trust me to have themselves at my house.

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Okay, yeah, all right.

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So before we get started, dude, be honest with me.

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What is your win?

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What will be your win today, tonight?

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As in within this podcast, like what I want to get across Everything in general.

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Whatever you feel like, everything in general.

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Okay, what is a win for you?

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I'd say, a win is just you know, I'm a real conversationalist and stuff like that.

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So being able to.

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I was talking to people, to my brother's girlfriend today, and you know I just I really love connecting with people one-on-one.

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I'm not really like a group kind of guy.

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I mean.

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I can, because I'm more extroverted than I'd say the normal person is um, but when it comes to what I found is, in these group scenarios and stuff like that, I can't really connect to people unless it's like a one-on-one connection and if I don't have one connection, then I, then I'm just completely disassociated I I agree.

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Which you know it happens with creatives.

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But it's just a Overall okay.

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I kind of went off track there, okay.

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So it sounds like the win for you is to make a one-on-one connection as worthwhile as possible.

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Yeah, exactly, look at that Fools need to get off your phone and start connecting to people.

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Exactly.

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Don't be wearing the AirPods, the AirVision.

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Apple thing.

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Oh, the AppleVision Pro.

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It looks stupid.

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Have you seen any of those in person?

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Huh, have you seen any?

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of them in person?

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I don't plan to, because one they look like scuba devices, scuba diving, but no, it's just gonna create more disconnect with everyone wanting to connect.

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I don't see anybody really buying it.

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You know what I mean.

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It feels like something that's it's a fad.

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It's a fad, it's going to pass.

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It's a fad.

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So that's your win.

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What else do you want to say as far as your win, before we dive into this, to discover the world of Ape Nap?

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I would say a win is coming on here.

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I really like making connected connections within the creative sphere.

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Okay, I like you know.

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I mean you see my instagram.

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I'm really posting all the time, so it's like I like getting me out there you know what I mean I'm not really in recently I haven't been into just um going with the, the social media trends and stuff like that.

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So I went back to my.

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I was Photoshopping for a long time.

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I noticed that.

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I noticed that.

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Guys, he has a portfolio that looks really impressive.

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I'm serious.

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Yeah, it's all right, I started, so I started in the fan editing sphere.

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I don't know if you know exactly what that is Fan editing Fan editing.

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Yeah, you know what it is.

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Yeah, you know, you make your own version of a costume of a character that's coming out.

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You make your own poster and, um, I got into that mainly because I just wanted to learn how to photoshop and stuff like that.

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So there's this youtube channel I don't know if you've seen it, but it's uh, you know benny productions?

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No, I do not.

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Okay.

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So it's like one of the biggest like photoshop channels out there.

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I was on like one of his instingers one time and I was really proud of that um, but that was when I was like freaking 15 um, but I got into the photoshopping sphere of things.

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That took off after a while.

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I um, made some cool friends that sphere, and then I found that I don't probably should mute that you're good.

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that's actually a great way, a great way to start this conversation before we get too deep into that topic.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That being said, okay, hi guys.

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Hello, hi, it's me again, hola.

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It's another episode.

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Also, I'm trying to get up to 100.

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Up to 100?

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So where are you at right now?

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I am at, I think eight or nine.

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Okay, yeah, I have.

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I have about 57 people to go through are you serious?

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Yes, I just did one this morning, but my goal is to get 100 57 people.

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So are you going through like actors and who like?

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What are everybody?

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scope of everybody, everybody, and as long as my only criteria is only as long as they are creative in some capacity so are you doing musicians and stuff?

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Musicians um, like this one.

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This morning I did a music composer really, yes, um, he's a good friend of mine.

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He's up in south carolina.

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You're gonna love that episode when I.

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You guys are gonna love that episode when I, when I drop it.

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Anyways, I don't want to brag.

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I am bragging right now.

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That's not good.

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I need to stop.

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I need to be more humble.

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Yeah, you don't need to be more, but no, okay, I've seen his portfolio.

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It's better than mine whoa whoa time out time.

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Oh, speaking of which your demo reel, oh yeah I love it.

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Yeah, I love it.

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Huh, I haven't dropped it yet.

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Uh, I'm gonna drop.

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I don't know what we're talking about.

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What demo reel?

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it'll be dropped it'll be.

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There is a.

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There is an existing demo reel on your youtube channel, so it's.

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But this, uh, we're talking about a different video.

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Yeah, I'm not gonna put this in here, but I gotta say it's really good and I think, um, you are starting to develop a specific look that you're looking for.

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I think it seems like you're at the phase where you're just getting more work whatever comes along your way and trying to make it more cinematic.

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So I think that's where you're at at this stage, but you're going to get closer because you seem to have this style of a cinematic you like the aspect ratio.

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You seem to drive yourself to using that.

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I don't.

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I don't use it as much anymore, ish.

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So like I've really liked just the straight kind of like it's not exactly open gate but on the pocket or yes pocket 4k yes, pocket 4k it's got like uh you're good, you get a little bit more of an aspect ratio.

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That's just like by this much, Just a bit, I remember yes.

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And it's.

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I just like the look of it for some reason, because it feels like I feel like when I crop in on an aspect ratio or something like that it doesn't feel as cinematic to me anymore, because I know that I'm faking it if that makes any sense.

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Yes, so if I'm going like, or, or something like that, and there's still information, on the top and bottom.

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I don't love it.

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I don't love it, but if I was shooting on like anamorphics, or something like that which I'm trying to remember what they were called, but there were these new and the blazar remuses oh, that's a new one.

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I I know dco film fest uh, atlas orion series but that's a new brand so there's this.

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What did I say?

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They were the Blazar Remuses.

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So they just came out recently and they are absolutely solid.

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I think you can get.

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You can get a set of them for I want to say under it's like three lenses for under $3,000 and they look amazing.

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They look so good what are the characteristics that come with that?

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Because, like the atlas orion, for example, they do have that softer look, yeah, what characteristics are you seeing with this one?

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Have you shot with them yet?

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I haven't shot with me, I've watched I end up just watching videos more than I play with real gear.

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But I need to just be renting these things.

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You know what I mean.

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I need to do it more but, it's just expensive, um hey I mean every our hobby, our dude, our career is, uh well, I would say, our hobby.

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Yeah, it's both you know.

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Yes, you know it turned into an expensive hobby, bro.

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We could be like investing in our own stock, and you know we could probably own a lot of bitcoin, but no, we just decided to throw in a lot of money towards towards this and this and this and this and this yeah, yeah, we're not.

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We're not really looking for retiring I'm telling you the remuses are nice.

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I don't like so the freaking.

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There was another set of budget budget anamorphic lenses that came out like two years ago and they were really popular and I'm trying to remember what they were called the serial lenses.

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Yeah, I don't, it looks too clinical for me.

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They want me to rehouse lenses, would?

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I love like iron glass.

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You're talking about iron glass.

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I heard about them.

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But what's serious?

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I think I, I don't know, I I haven't shot with them to be fair.

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Um, but the remus is like they look freaking cinema are you being sponsored by them?

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Right now, I'm not but I would be completely open to please sponsor a right now I'm completely open to it in every way yes, but that was the longest intro.

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I'm gonna say hi guys, welcome back to another episode.

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Uh, obviously, as you you can tell it's already going to be a fun conversation.

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Yeah, see, we already got a lot of great info.

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We're really fun.

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Yes.

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So welcome back to another episode with ApeNap.

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He's a 38 videographer based in well, I did say 38.

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Yes, 38.

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So this podcast we're going to dive into, you know, cinema, world stuff, cameras, cinematography, our aspirations, all that good stuff, and also, a very special surprise, a trilogy.

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I would not reveal the name, but we will be getting to that because it's pretty much unpronounceable everyone yeah if you just read it, you're like but it's like it's I I guess I would say it's like a harry potter spell yeah, it sounds like, it sounds exactly like, all right, so okay, let's start with the first question I guess, also, I'm not gonna follow the questions, so you need another drone, we'll flow through it.

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Yeah, we'll flow through it, but before we do that.

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What's what?

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Where can people find you?

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okay, so um a lot of places, so I'm mainly active on instagram, but I have like 8 000 accounts is the problem, so you can follow my photoshop stuff oh, my goodness, at baby spielberg, as in steven spielberg, baby spielberg.

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And then, um, my name is abe nap, so, um, my cinematography stuff is all up on nap stories, knapp stories, um, and then I have a million others, but you can just figure that out for yourself I have.

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You know, I have my personal account, and then I have one for the trilogy, and then, um, you have tumblr.

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I don't have tumblr, dude, I'm only on instagram you have immature nope, I don't have that.

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I should get an art station or something like that.

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I know that I don't have an art station I do get all my stuff reposted on art station all the time and people like to credit for it.

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That's so much oh my gosh yeah like people like make pngs of like all the posters that I make.

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I'm like you are killing you could be your social media strategist.

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Apparently, he runs thousands of accounts.

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Well well well, I mean, I do a lot of social media assets for a bunch of different places.

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Like my dad owns a pontoon rental business so I used to run it.

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Please don't look into that, because there are some cringy videos that I made that are like TikToks.

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Do not look into that, because there are some cringy videos that I made that are like TikToks.

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Do not look into it.

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But if you want to rent a boat on the Panhandle, check out 38pontoonrentalcom.

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Tell us who you are.

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Your mission in life as a creative and what you do.

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Okay, go.

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So I'm Abe Knapp, I am a cinematographer, I am a Photoshop artist.

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I live in the Florida Panhandle.

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Okay, I am a Photoshop artist.

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I live in the Florida Panhandle.

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Okay, I write.

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I play a little bit of guitar for my church, which is just something I just love making cool stuff.

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You know, yeah, and my really honestly, my mission was laid on my heart years ago and it's to literally like how do I explain this?

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Like I want to try and make like a second Hollywood dude, like as violent and as crazy and as shoot for the moon.

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That is Like I really love, specifically like the 38 community and the people on there.

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But, as you said before, like it's hard to find people, people on there, but, as you said before, like it's hard to to to find people.

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Right, that's what you said.

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I've I've watched a few episodes of this podcast and it's a solid one, and watch the last one that I that I watched.

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Um, but, dude, I love, love making cool stuff with cool people, like genuinely, and if I was able to just take some time and really make my own indie circuit or something like that, if I was able to make a almost like a monty python kind of troop with um.

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You know people from around here, people from across, who just maybe don't want to get into some of the I guess, the darker side of hollywood and get into just making things, to make things and having real solid experiences making those things you know what I mean.

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Yeah, you know what I mean yeah but uh damn, you have a hell of a aspiration.

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That's crazy.

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That's really good I shoot too high sometimes, which is kind of a problem.

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No, you got to shoot high.

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If you want to go somewhere, if you're going to shoot for mediocre content.

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No, you're not going to go anywhere.

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Honestly, I would be so happy if all I did was make cool stories, right?

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If I was able to do way more, I would be also completely fine with that.

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Right, if I was able to do way more, I'll be also completely fine with that.

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But wherever I end up on that spectrum, as long as I'm as long as I'm making.

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Yeah, I'm completely fine with whoever I turn out being bro, okay, I gotta say I'm really, really jealous that you do have that passion, because you know when you're, when you work so hard on this and this industry, you start to get burned out and you start to feel jaded.

00:16:03.745 --> 00:16:05.491
So congratulations.

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You have that passion that most people really would like to have.

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I do.

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The thing is it gets lost so easily.

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I mean, you've said it on the podcast before, it is so easy to get jaded in the craft right, in the craft right.

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But I've, I've really looked into well, what can I do entirely to combat that feeling of being jaded, like what, what do you do there right?

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And it's?

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It's just like you need to keep making things for yourself and I haven't been doing it as much as I'd like.

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Okay, I'm focused on this year, in the coming years, to make things that aren't just like for other people.

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You know what I mean.

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I want to really tell stories because it feels like I'm doing a lot of commercials, which I do love making the commercials.

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I'm doing a lot of Photoshop pieces and stuff like that and I'm telling a little bit of a story.

00:17:04.048 --> 00:17:09.738
It's a fraction of what I actually can do do and stop me if I'm talking too much this.

00:17:09.778 --> 00:17:16.103
This whole entire thing is not focused on getting curated parts of what you're saying it's supposed to get the raw content.

00:17:16.103 --> 00:17:24.008
So if you feel like you're going on a tangent, you're not okay, that's that the purpose is to to have a podcast and have something to talk enjoyable To talk real shit.

00:17:24.208 --> 00:17:25.250
Yeah, exactly, so you're good.

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Exactly so.

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You're good so shoot Crap.

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where was I?

00:17:29.826 --> 00:17:42.287
You were talking about how you were working on projects, but you were struggling with the fact that there's only like a small fraction of what you can do to show off your cinematography style and skills.

00:17:42.287 --> 00:17:53.786
Well, you cinematography, uh style and skills well my, you know my ability as a storyteller.

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Yeah, I mean.

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So I was.

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I was up in arizona.

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I was shooting for this lightsaber company, right, oh wow, it's actually, it's a flex right there.

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It's really fun so the thing is, it was the farthest from home.

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Okay, right, which is kind of sad because it's still in the states oh, you feel like you're a homebody kind of a.

00:18:02.111 --> 00:18:03.242
I'm such a homebody.

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Okay, I'm such a homebody, but but it was the farthest way I've ever been.

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It was probably one of the biggest shoots that I've done.

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Okay, and I filmed there with my buddy Frank Platt, I love you and I filmed there with a buddy and we just watched Steven Spielberg's the Fablements.

00:18:19.813 --> 00:18:28.586
A fantastic movie Okay, and that movie also totally gets you talking about cinema because it's about cinema, right.

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And I told him.

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I said, frank, this is the farthest away from home I've ever been.

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This is one of the craziest shoots I've ever done yeah and I didn't have like an oh crap moment for a second, like I'm not putting my feet in the ground deep enough.

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You know I'm not taking steps that are big enough, like I need to be sinking my own money into doing crazy outlandish stuff and I feel like, because it's okay, because it's our job, right, you have this is work, and then you have this is work, and then you have this is my passion.

00:19:06.972 --> 00:19:24.228
Yeah, right, and when you're doing your passion, you're thinking I should be doing my work yeah and you totally like it becomes like you totally forgot the reason that you got into doing this yeah, it's like I need to be constantly making.

00:19:24.228 --> 00:19:26.662
Well, I'm just gonna drown, but there's a there's a scene now.

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I, okay, there's something you said you need to constantly make something, but you're gonna feel like you're drowned.

00:19:30.961 --> 00:19:33.769
That sounds like a lot of people in our creative industry.

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We feel like we have to play catch up or else, if we don't do something, what everyone else is doing especially the heroes that we look up to yeah, it puts a lot of pressure yeah, it's pressure, dude, but it's good pressure.

00:19:45.534 --> 00:19:51.960
Yes, I agree with that, but I'm just saying sometimes, if you don't get that under control, you will start to Dang.

00:19:52.180 --> 00:19:58.990
Yes, you're going to start to feel burned out and all that what I'm talking about is not being drowned out in a sea of other people doing what?

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you're doing but being drowned out as in, like I never got to do this awesome thing that I wanted to do and I feel like, like with heriath, right, which is what I've written short films that I have it's all out.

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I have three parts of it.

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It's really cool, right, uh, it's like dune guys kind of like uh, uh, but like I want to do it.

00:20:21.621 --> 00:20:24.483
And there are these other like short form documentaries that I totally want to do it.

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And there are these other short-form documentaries that I totally want to do and for such a long time I was so afraid of actually going out and doing this and because it's like I need to be doing my work, because it's like I don't want to, I don't know what I'm waiting for.

00:20:42.871 --> 00:20:47.465
Honestly, I don't know what I'm waiting for and I just need to do.

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I think you're at the apex of building, like the Assassin's Creed.

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You're just, there's a button that says jump, yeah, yeah, you're just waiting for something to push you.

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Am I correct to assume that there's this sense of uncertainty, that you're scared?

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In terms of will it work out or not work out.

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The thing is it's, it's.

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Can I, can I effectively pull off something that is worth someone's time?

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you know, and a lot of it rides on.

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So I I feel like I as a person can do it right and I feel like the people that I know on the crew team can do it.

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I need to find decent people to fill the roles and I'm a big fan of what I've written.

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I think it's really solid and it's dark, but it's hopeful, it's inherently hopeful, and it's filled with so much love that just bursts out from it and it's a really solid script.

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I think I have like 30 pages on just the first part, and then there's two other parts.

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Yeah.

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And I'm proud of it, and if I don't make it, I'm going to die.

00:22:01.728 --> 00:22:04.782
Wow, wow, okay.

00:22:04.782 --> 00:22:09.204
So before we get into that, we're gonna actually you will be getting to that trilogy.

00:22:09.204 --> 00:22:11.490
Yeah, I love the information that you just spit.

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First of all, the struggle of choosing um, the work and your passion, all that, those are dude.

00:22:18.332 --> 00:22:20.565
That's a great answer just so you know you're doing great.

00:22:20.664 --> 00:22:23.595
That's sweet okay yeah, so okay, wow you.

00:22:23.595 --> 00:22:30.250
We are jumping all over the places here because we hit like 30 000 points when I had one question about that trilogy.

00:22:30.250 --> 00:22:34.086
And now we jump back up to career, which you were talking about, the work at balance.

00:22:34.086 --> 00:22:40.964
Yeah, yeah, see, see, guys, I don't care about conform, uh, rules, conformity, whatever that is no, all right.

00:22:40.964 --> 00:22:43.208
Now we're going to start with the personal life.

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Okay so.

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Abe.

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What happened in your life on a dark, stormy night?

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What was that day like for you to decide?

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Out of all the career, choose that.

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You are so maddening enough to choose a career that will not provide yeah exactly.

00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:09.853
For most of the time, it will not provide sustainability, financial security yeah, what got you into this?

00:23:10.053 --> 00:23:14.662
dude, it's not like I could have chosen a million other jobs.

00:23:14.662 --> 00:23:15.884
Yeah, I could have.

00:23:15.884 --> 00:23:20.284
I could have been an architect, I could have been whatever right really I don't know I could have been something.

00:23:20.284 --> 00:23:21.967
I'm just listing examples, yeah.

00:23:22.367 --> 00:23:35.523
But there is, there's something inside me right that says you got to tell people stories and you got to shine light on, on these, on things that people wouldn't shine light on.

00:23:35.523 --> 00:23:44.349
You know, like individual real stories in like you have to, I have to be making something.

00:23:44.349 --> 00:23:45.011
You know, what I mean.

00:23:45.011 --> 00:23:57.955
Like it's weird, because ever since I was, I only had like one other career thing and it was when I was like freaking four and I was like I want to invent things and then Really Well, I was like four.

00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:10.707
So every kid is like let me build a jet pack rebuild a jet pack, but it's like I, I, you know, and then you know I had it placed on my heart.

00:24:10.707 --> 00:24:14.595
Yeah, that all I want to do in my life is make you know what I mean.

00:24:14.595 --> 00:24:23.683
And if I don't, again it's like what I was talking about with, all right, if I don't end up making, then I'm just gonna feel like you're drowning and you're dying off yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:24:23.683 --> 00:24:28.073
But on the other end, I was really scared about the financial stuff, right?

00:24:28.073 --> 00:24:28.354
Yes.

00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:32.909
But I'm fairly well off and I was like what in the world?

00:24:32.909 --> 00:24:38.642
You know, it's something that you don't because everybody's like oh yeah, you know the money's bad and stuff like that.

00:24:38.642 --> 00:24:54.388
But then if you work hard enough at it right and you find the right people, I wouldn't say I'm like super well off, but I'm okay and I'm fine with it, because if I was working a nine to five or something like that, I tried that.

00:24:54.388 --> 00:24:57.273
You know, and I can't do it, I can't do it.

00:24:58.580 --> 00:25:02.111
I'm going to have to do a counter argument to that.

00:25:02.111 --> 00:25:11.151
I used to be in that mindset, working in a nine to five yes, I had that mentality was like, nah, I ain't gonna follow your rules and all that.

00:25:11.151 --> 00:25:11.571
But it was.

00:25:11.571 --> 00:25:17.532
It wasn't until the the struggles of having to do freelance, like we just do it for yourself.

00:25:17.553 --> 00:25:22.550
Yeah, it's such a different yeah, um, dynamic and um change.

00:25:22.550 --> 00:25:23.452
It's a big change.

00:25:23.452 --> 00:25:29.946
And one thing I would say uh, if I could tell my younger self kino, you little, why are you so stubborn?

00:25:29.946 --> 00:25:33.113
You could have done this years ago, but I was.

00:25:33.113 --> 00:25:39.962
So my new stance on this is that I really appreciate the nine to five, depending on the job, if it's something that's related to what you do.

00:25:39.962 --> 00:25:55.627
If you got that job, hang on to it because, um, if you have a creative job that still involves in what you love to do, yeah, it will still allow you to get the funds to get what you want to make your projects that you want to do, especially passion projects, possible.

00:25:55.627 --> 00:26:01.020
Because if you're not doing, if you don't have an income, you're always going to be so stressed about getting the financials in order.

00:26:01.020 --> 00:26:04.939
So, while balancing the time, or making the time, yeah, to do what you love.

00:26:05.038 --> 00:26:06.323
So totally right with that.

00:26:06.323 --> 00:26:07.826
You were totally right with that?

00:26:07.846 --> 00:26:08.509
what will make you?

00:26:08.509 --> 00:26:10.603
Uh, where are you right now with the mindset?

00:26:10.603 --> 00:26:15.825
Are you just like, are you waiting for something to get you to change, uh, your perspective on a nine to five?

00:26:15.825 --> 00:26:20.242
Or, by the way, we're not disrespecting y'all that are in the nine to five, we really respect what?

00:26:20.242 --> 00:26:22.165
You do, yeah, exactly but go on.

00:26:22.727 --> 00:26:29.165
The thing is I've I've always been someone who has thought like how to explain this?

00:26:29.165 --> 00:26:31.414
I actually completely forgot the question for a second.

00:26:31.414 --> 00:26:36.386
But um, no, it's.

00:26:36.386 --> 00:26:37.248
It's.

00:26:37.248 --> 00:26:40.994
It's stressful because you have to try and find the money for yourself.

00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:55.102
Yeah, I mean, you gotta look out and you gotta find these people to, to work with and collaborate with yes, but what I found to kind of take the weight off of me financially is I outsource a lot of my stuff, so like when I'm doing my own videos and stuff, I do that all myself.

00:26:55.102 --> 00:27:04.667
But if there are buddies that I have that are looking for work and I have a client that and I can't do their thing, or something like that, just send it on, it on over to them, right?

00:27:05.249 --> 00:27:13.660
And then I talk to them obviously about it and I'm like, hey, I'll put a little commission cap on top for myself because I'm finding these clients and they're completely fine with it, you know what I mean.

00:27:13.660 --> 00:27:28.009
So that way it's like you're managing all these creative entities that are going out there right and it's nice because these people like in social media as much, as it is a net negative or something like that.

00:27:28.009 --> 00:27:32.973
When it comes to connection and finding people within your creative sphere, it's a complete positive.

00:27:32.973 --> 00:27:34.115
Yeah.

00:27:34.394 --> 00:27:37.978
It's like I've met some great people from all the way in India.

00:27:37.978 --> 00:27:45.203
I've met some people on the other side of the pond in the UK.

00:27:45.203 --> 00:27:47.931
I've met people from all over these places that I genuinely love.

00:27:47.931 --> 00:27:57.810
These guys Like they're actually really solid people, yeah, and I'm able to send jobs out to them and you know, they get to do a little bit of the work and I get a little bit on top.

00:27:57.810 --> 00:27:59.453
You know it's nice.

00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.683
See, that's one thing that I wish I'd learned early on.

00:28:02.683 --> 00:28:03.964
It's like outsourcing.

00:28:03.964 --> 00:28:04.405
How did you?

00:28:04.987 --> 00:28:19.297
come across that I've only started it really recently, so I didn't really come up I hadn't really seen anybody do that where they just like basically have the way that I refer to.

00:28:19.297 --> 00:28:29.499
It is like a disassociated production studio or something like that, where you can hire these group of freelancers right.

00:28:29.499 --> 00:28:36.628
And whoever you hire from gets a little cap or something like a commission cap, and then he says okay, well, you need him, you need him, you need him right.

00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:43.732
And then those guys get sent off and they work on that job and that way, whoever is actively looking for these clients, everyone's getting these.

00:28:43.732 --> 00:28:47.525
These clients, everyone's getting these clients yeah, everyone's getting paid.

00:28:47.525 --> 00:28:59.776
It's really nice and it's and, oh my gosh, the guys that I know are some of the most genuine people you know, and I'm gonna have to link you with some of them because they're really cool they're really cool, of course, of course.

00:28:59.796 --> 00:29:00.920
Yeah, I think they.

00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:15.645
One of the benefits about outsourcing is because, if you were like what you said, if you had a video edit and you send it off, it's like you're earning money when you go to sleep because the video is getting done on the other side of the planet's day and when you wake up it's already ready to go.

00:29:15.645 --> 00:29:16.307
You send it off.

00:29:16.307 --> 00:29:18.948
That's the power of outsourcing, guys.

00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:23.930
I haven't done it as much as I'd like to I'm trying to throughout this year.

00:29:23.930 --> 00:29:36.269
I have some stuff there, like this guy's wanting to get a children's book done, so I hired out my buddy, matt to name dropping a little bit to illustrate the thing.

00:29:36.269 --> 00:29:41.569
I send it over and it's still working on it.

00:29:42.080 --> 00:30:12.527
I'm trying to work out the kinks and stuff like that, but it's a way to get your friends money that's interesting because, uh, you know, as creative when we work on our own projects, we tend to have this thing where no, I will not let anybody touch it, it's mine it's like it's our, it's our baby yeah exactly walk us through how you managed to uh balance between that version of yourself, that side of you wanting to do it for yourself, versus toning down the ego enough to let other people do it.

00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.366
So you know that it'll work out.

00:30:14.366 --> 00:30:17.807
You gotta know that they can do a good job.

00:30:17.807 --> 00:30:32.776
That's really hard, but the trick is when I have something like Horaif where I need other people to do things right I, you know I I'll say hey, jonathan, right, uh, can you?

00:30:32.776 --> 00:30:34.420
Jonathan's my composer buddy.

00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:36.085
Yes, you have to have a lot, he's really okay.

00:30:36.105 --> 00:30:44.913
We're setting out another love sitting on a lot of it um, I'm like, dude, I'm trying to brainstorm this idea of my main character.

00:30:44.913 --> 00:30:49.188
Right, Could you make me a test score and I'll pay you for it, right?

00:30:49.188 --> 00:30:53.268
And then he sends it over and I'm like this is the most beautiful sheet of music I've ever heard.

00:30:53.268 --> 00:31:02.971
I'm going to send this out and I think I have it up on my YouTube channel the first one that he ever did and he's made some changes to the sound of Horiath, which is really cool.

00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:13.690
Okay, to the sound of her wrath, which is really cool, okay, um, but uh, and then I have other people, like I had ganesh, another shout out um who's.

00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:25.511
You know, he, um, he made the angel's wing, which is the main ship of, uh, the movie right, okay, and um, he did such a fantastic job.

00:31:25.511 --> 00:31:30.707
And you know, like all these different people, I know that they did great stuff for me.

00:31:30.707 --> 00:31:33.461
I know that they could do for other people because they're insane.

00:31:33.461 --> 00:31:41.584
So it's just knowing that you have a friend that can do something good and that you're not the only one with good ideas, you know what I mean.

00:31:41.604 --> 00:31:44.269
No, I gotta get you my connect next.

00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:46.020
Uh, you uh do it right now.

00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:46.721
Open up your phone.

00:31:46.721 --> 00:31:49.689
Yeah, uh, look up abraham abraham.

00:31:49.689 --> 00:31:51.172
I love you man I miss you.

00:31:51.292 --> 00:31:52.001
It's been a while.

00:31:52.001 --> 00:31:53.106
Abraham, are you serious?

00:31:53.106 --> 00:31:53.851
Abraham mast?

00:31:53.851 --> 00:31:58.284
Oh my gosh dude, I've only met one other abraham in my life oh, okay so my full name is abraham.

00:31:58.284 --> 00:31:59.346
That's crazy.

00:31:59.346 --> 00:32:01.911
Abraham mast, okay, uh, blender artist Abraham.

00:32:01.951 --> 00:32:03.354
Mast, okay, blender artist.

00:32:03.354 --> 00:32:07.520
Oh, really, blender artist, really, really really good, Abraham.

00:32:07.540 --> 00:32:07.923
what's his last?

00:32:07.942 --> 00:32:09.467
name Mast M-A-S-T.

00:32:09.467 --> 00:32:09.969
M-a-s-t.

00:32:09.969 --> 00:32:10.810
He's really good.

00:32:10.810 --> 00:32:12.326
Abraham, you the man bro.

00:32:13.482 --> 00:32:15.589
You are a god, holy crap.

00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:18.849
Yeah, he does serious stuff and he's based in Nashville.

00:32:18.849 --> 00:32:31.403
Now the second connection I connection I want to give you is, uh brooks.

00:32:31.403 --> 00:32:32.207
That's the one I talked to this morning.

00:32:32.207 --> 00:32:33.912
He's a music composer, so I'm sure you probably already have someone that does music.

00:32:33.912 --> 00:32:35.096
Yeah, but his uh specific um style of music is an orchestra.

00:32:35.096 --> 00:32:35.939
Um, he likes sci-fi, he likes all that stuff.

00:32:35.959 --> 00:32:53.469
So that's why it might be a good connection for you to have his name is brooks, liby, liby, uh, so brooks and then liby, l-e-i-b-e e it should have a profile picture of um half shadow yes, that I'm talking about whoa okay has dinosaurs in this profile that's him.

00:32:54.029 --> 00:32:57.503
Anyways, I love you both you guys are fantastic people.

00:32:58.226 --> 00:33:01.252
They're gonna get you um whenever you want to talk to them.

00:33:01.252 --> 00:33:07.042
I think they're gonna be a great addition to that trilogy, but we're going way too far ahead.

00:33:07.042 --> 00:33:14.190
With high wrath we will be getting this is gonna be like an eight hour podcast episode and I am so here for it, as you can see the passion like this.

00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:21.359
Please, don't, please, try not to lose that when you, uh, when you get deeper into this hellhole, uh, film industry.

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.126
See, I am very jaded in some ways.

00:33:24.307 --> 00:33:24.970
How old are you?

00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:25.932
I'm 19.

00:33:25.932 --> 00:33:30.623
So that's why I'm way too positive.

00:33:30.623 --> 00:33:37.846
Well, to be honest, okay, no, that's good, but god damn, I've been really focused or positive, as weird as that sounds.

00:33:37.846 --> 00:33:41.064
I've been watching a lot of Parks and Recreation.

00:33:41.064 --> 00:33:42.546
A what Parks and Recreation.

00:33:43.492 --> 00:33:44.198
What does that have to?

00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.390
Okay, I remember what's his of parks and recreation a, what parks and recreation?

00:33:45.390 --> 00:33:45.925
What does that have?

00:33:45.925 --> 00:33:46.599
Okay, I'm following.

00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:47.121
What's his name?

00:33:47.121 --> 00:33:56.848
Chris pratt, the guy that goes literally, but he's like so positive in the show and when he's on screen he's mark lowe.

00:33:56.848 --> 00:33:58.574
Okay, rob lowe.

00:33:58.574 --> 00:34:00.519
Yeah, I haven't watched parks and recs.

00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:12.820
Okay, it's really funny, um, but he's just so positive about life and so happy and really interested in finding out more about it Okay, and I found that I love people like that, so I want to.

00:34:13.041 --> 00:34:16.731
you know I've been like that, but I haven't been as much recently.

00:34:18.625 --> 00:34:19.206
My gosh.

00:34:19.206 --> 00:34:20.471
I hope you don't get corrupted.

00:34:20.471 --> 00:34:24.150
I hope this industry doesn't eat you up and spit you out?

00:34:24.150 --> 00:34:24.681
I hope so too.

00:34:24.681 --> 00:34:25.125
Oh my God, 19?

00:34:25.125 --> 00:34:25.327
Corrupted.

00:34:25.327 --> 00:34:26.494
I hope this industry doesn't eat you up and spit you out.

00:34:26.494 --> 00:34:26.878
Oh my god, 19.

00:34:26.878 --> 00:34:27.641
How old do you think I am?

00:34:27.641 --> 00:34:34.614
I don't know honestly, take a shot 22, how old are you?

00:34:34.614 --> 00:34:35.496
25?

00:34:35.635 --> 00:34:40.643
you're 25, seriously, yes, dude, I thought you were like around my age no that's crazy.

00:34:41.123 --> 00:34:45.791
That's crazy actually yeah, that's why I'm jealous of this.

00:34:45.791 --> 00:34:48.894
You remind me of me.

00:34:48.894 --> 00:34:55.889
Oh, my god, I feel old when I said that ah oh no it's all right.

00:34:56.271 --> 00:34:56.811
Now you're good.

00:34:56.811 --> 00:35:00.844
It's all right, you know no no, no 25 is a number.

00:35:00.844 --> 00:35:06.311
25 is a number 25 is a number 30 yearsyear-old self 30 years old is a new 20s.

00:35:06.652 --> 00:35:07.454
30 is a new 20.

00:35:07.454 --> 00:35:08.195
30 is the new 20.

00:35:08.195 --> 00:35:22.050
But no, seriously though, dude, I really miss that energy because In this industry, it's just so easy for people to when you show how positive and how happy you are.

00:35:22.050 --> 00:35:30.101
There's just a lot of people in this industry that, while there are good ones, like your friends, there are some others that will want to take that.

00:35:30.101 --> 00:35:33.688
Yes, they will want to use that and especially the fact that you have this passion.

00:35:33.688 --> 00:35:41.659
There will be people that will take that and try to twist it in a way that they will get as much from you, and you won't even know it.

00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:41.900
Dude.

00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:45.902
That's why I'm talking about this new hollywood huh that's why I'm talking about this new hollywood kind of thing.

00:35:45.902 --> 00:35:48.043
You know hollywood sucks hollywood sucks dude.

00:35:48.043 --> 00:36:02.876
There are gonna be people knocking you down what I'm saying is having people like you and me yeah just you know, with high hopes and wanting to do cool things, and we don't all hate each other, you know, like, how hard is that?

00:36:02.876 --> 00:36:04.644
How hard is that man?

00:36:05.027 --> 00:36:05.768
no, I think you're right.

00:36:05.768 --> 00:36:07.233
Finding the right people is just so hard.

00:36:07.233 --> 00:36:08.960
But keep at it.

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.130
Um well to you all aspiring filmmakers.

00:36:12.130 --> 00:36:17.909
Please don't lose your um childhood, your child, the inner child that pushes you to do this stuff.

00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:24.492
It's crafting your network dude yes it's having like cut out people that just don't make you happy.

00:36:24.492 --> 00:36:34.907
When you're honest, you know if you, if you're gonna be doing something for yourself, cut them out yeah, even if you have uh like longer than three years friendship history dude, it does not matter.

00:36:34.907 --> 00:36:37.014
Well, I mean see it matters.

00:36:37.014 --> 00:36:39.206
But you gotta be honest with them, you gotta be like yeah dude.

00:36:39.206 --> 00:36:46.898
Like when we're in a creative sphere, we need to be open to having these ideas yeah discourse and stuff like that.

00:36:47.378 --> 00:36:56.351
But if you're, if you're gonna put up a wall and just you know, knock me down, I'm not gonna stand for that yes, yes, positive energy for 2024.

00:36:56.913 --> 00:36:57.815
Actually are you?

00:36:57.815 --> 00:36:58.275
Are you?

00:36:58.275 --> 00:36:59.518
Have you heard of calliope films?

00:36:59.518 --> 00:37:01.668
No, follow that account.

00:37:01.668 --> 00:37:05.916
They host a um creative meetups every month in Pensacola.

00:37:05.916 --> 00:37:09.072
I just came back from there you will meet so many awesome people there.

00:37:09.072 --> 00:37:11.211
We should go together.

00:37:11.211 --> 00:37:17.074
Dude, I freaking love hanging out with you Pull it up, calliope Films, I think the next one's, next month, we should go.

00:37:17.074 --> 00:37:23.885
I bring my girlfriend, I brought my boss to the to the um event your boss is a cool guy by the way.

00:37:24.465 --> 00:37:27.974
Huh, your boss is a cool guy by the way which one, cj, or the one that I met?

00:37:28.695 --> 00:37:29.737
oh, that's cody, cody.

00:37:29.737 --> 00:37:31.626
Cody, love you man, love cody.

00:37:31.626 --> 00:37:39.815
Okay, uh, caliope c-a-l-l-i-o-p-e films, I see it.

00:37:39.815 --> 00:37:42.318
Oh, another connection I want to give you, danny.

00:37:42.318 --> 00:37:43.300
I love you, buddy.

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:46.777
Danny is based in Pensacola.

00:37:46.777 --> 00:37:48.327
He's a visual effects artist as well.

00:37:48.447 --> 00:37:49.612
Sweet, oh, my gosh.

00:37:49.612 --> 00:37:50.568
Okay, what's his film name?

00:37:50.829 --> 00:37:51.251
Danny VFX.

00:37:52.306 --> 00:37:52.547
Danny.

00:37:52.706 --> 00:37:54.108
I love you, man, you are awesome.

00:37:54.108 --> 00:37:56.528
Wow, this episode, I'm going to title it.

00:37:57.646 --> 00:37:58.586
It's just like Linky.

00:37:58.746 --> 00:38:00.929
Okay, I may have to find Linky, because there are a lot of Danny VFX.

00:38:00.929 --> 00:38:02.992
Yeah, danny VFX have you, you know.

00:38:03.572 --> 00:38:04.494
I think there are a lot of Danny.

00:38:04.514 --> 00:38:05.675
VFX.

00:38:05.675 --> 00:38:06.436
He's someone.

00:38:06.436 --> 00:38:08.960
The profile picture should be him sitting on a film chair.

00:38:10.385 --> 00:38:11.809
Okay, I'm looking.

00:38:11.809 --> 00:38:12.952
Hey, you can just find it.

00:38:12.952 --> 00:38:13.333
You got it.

00:38:13.393 --> 00:38:13.675
Oh wait no.

00:38:15.664 --> 00:38:18.610
It's VFX Danny, not Danny VFX.

00:38:18.670 --> 00:38:19.552
Danny, you were awesome.

00:38:20.253 --> 00:38:22.076
This is just shout outs to the episodes.

00:38:22.076 --> 00:38:23.458
Yes, shout outs to the episodes.

00:38:23.458 --> 00:38:26.329
Okay, oh yeah.

00:38:26.570 --> 00:38:27.273
Very talented.

00:38:28.346 --> 00:38:29.451
Wow, look at that account.

00:38:29.764 --> 00:38:30.911
Yeah, he's very talented.

00:38:32.246 --> 00:38:32.869
That is so sweet.

00:38:32.869 --> 00:38:34.213
Okay, that is so sweet.

00:38:34.585 --> 00:38:37.434
Oh, so you chose this career because you want to do it.

00:38:37.434 --> 00:38:39.239
Now, let's be honest.

00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.490
Yeah, what are your fears about it?

00:38:45.385 --> 00:38:45.666
to do it now.

00:38:45.666 --> 00:38:46.248
Let's be honest what are?

00:38:46.248 --> 00:38:47.755
Your fears about it my fear is me being changed as a person through it.

00:38:47.755 --> 00:39:01.538
Okay, I do not like what you're talking about, like losing this enthusiasm and stuff like that yes and not lose that but, I mean like my I have fear about, like not having anything that's worthwhile to show any like I don't even care if.

00:39:01.577 --> 00:39:06.989
Like if I exist right and like everyone.

00:39:06.989 --> 00:39:11.657
Like if I'm not like worldwide renowned, I don't.

00:39:11.657 --> 00:39:13.420
Like I don't care about that, you know Right.

00:39:13.420 --> 00:39:24.512
Like if I make a handful of things that touch people that are that are close to me you know, that's all that matters to me.

00:39:24.512 --> 00:39:26.594
You know that's all that matters Damn.

00:39:26.594 --> 00:39:27.954
You know that sounds like a great mission.

00:39:28.155 --> 00:39:29.476
Please don't lose that side of that.

00:39:29.757 --> 00:39:31.438
I'm trying not to.

00:39:31.438 --> 00:39:32.898
I'm rekindling yours.

00:39:32.898 --> 00:39:33.639
You know what I mean.

00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.101
No, I died a long time ago.

00:39:35.101 --> 00:39:35.800
No, it's coming back.

00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:36.942
It's coming back.

00:39:37.101 --> 00:39:37.561
It's coming back.

00:39:37.561 --> 00:39:38.163
No, no, no, no.

00:39:38.163 --> 00:39:44.407
I feel like Joker in this industry.

00:39:44.427 --> 00:39:45.469
I just want to watch everything burn.

00:39:45.469 --> 00:39:45.889
Yes, hit me, hit me.

00:39:45.889 --> 00:39:48.233
You know, dude, wipe it all out, let's start again.

00:39:48.233 --> 00:39:50.556
Huh, wipe it all out, let's start again.

00:39:50.697 --> 00:39:52.659
Oh, are we doing therapy now?

00:39:52.659 --> 00:39:59.115
Okay, all right, a little bit Well, so I guess that's your mission in life.

00:39:59.115 --> 00:40:03.291
So you want to tell people your story.

00:40:03.291 --> 00:40:04.722
Wow, the enthusiasm is just off the charts.

00:40:04.722 --> 00:40:06.768
Good, so let's start with the personal life.

00:40:06.768 --> 00:40:13.777
Okay, star Wars, you have so much Star Wars stuff on your profile, dude.

00:40:13.777 --> 00:40:22.262
It clearly shows that it has a huge impact, especially your trilogy and all that, but with Star Wars, with that specific franchise.

00:40:22.262 --> 00:40:25.193
Now, by the way, we're not going to talk about the new trilogy that one.

00:40:25.233 --> 00:40:28.585
No, my opinions what were they thinking with?

00:40:28.585 --> 00:40:31.050
Pop a team bro anyways, I nothing.

00:40:31.210 --> 00:40:33.074
They weren't thinking about anything star wars.

00:40:33.717 --> 00:40:44.434
tell us the impact that it had on you, um, as you grew up and now you're in this career, how did that franchise influence your cinematography style and as a creator?

00:40:44.494 --> 00:40:49.422
So here's the thing I've done like over like 20 lightsaber commercials.

00:40:49.422 --> 00:40:51.887
Holy shit, which becomes a little bit.

00:40:51.907 --> 00:40:52.750
Oh, is this the Cabaranth.

00:40:53.130 --> 00:40:57.699
Corbanth Corbanth, oh sorry, almost yeah, corbanth Sabers, right?

00:40:57.699 --> 00:41:00.233
Yes, so I've done a lot of work with them.

00:41:00.233 --> 00:41:04.204
Lightsabers, right, so I, I've done a lot of work with them.

00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:10.280
Yeah, dude, it's shaped how I do product cinematography because I'm shooting these lightsabers and stuff like that, oh speaking, which he just came back from a trip for a new marison.

00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.324
Well, we should talk about that.

00:41:11.324 --> 00:41:17.286
We should talk freaking crazy, by the way, but go on into your story, so on into that and then we'll talk about that.

00:41:17.545 --> 00:41:18.047
It's really.

00:41:18.047 --> 00:41:21.672
If you want to see that, it's in this instagram it's really fucking good.

00:41:21.733 --> 00:41:22.775
It's really cool, god.

00:41:22.775 --> 00:41:30.427
So the thing is like you make 20 of these videos and you can't help that it shapes your cinematography style and stuff like that.

00:41:30.427 --> 00:41:49.173
But when it comes to how star wars itself has like impacted me is like it's original, like everyone loves the original six right yes I agree, you know but, like dude, the original six.

00:41:49.173 --> 00:41:57.355
Everybody loves the story from start to finish, right, but really, where my heart has been, where my interest has been, is, um, okay.

00:41:57.635 --> 00:42:09.164
So after return of the jedi is over right before the corporate juggernauts over at Disney had bought Star Wars, they have this whole expanded universe, the legends, right.

00:42:09.164 --> 00:42:15.474
Where it's like Mara Jade, who is Luke Skywalker's wife, and you have like freaking.

00:42:15.474 --> 00:42:24.856
You know Darth Vader having a secret Sith apprentice and stuff like that and these stories that feel completely like a different world.

00:42:24.856 --> 00:42:28.315
And then you know Disney buys it and they snap it all out of existence, right?

00:42:29.786 --> 00:42:31.932
I say the pun, Disney, with Thanos snap.

00:42:31.952 --> 00:42:32.936
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

00:42:32.936 --> 00:42:45.858
But, like I've always been interested in, like, what could have been, and the cool thing about Horiath is it is I don't know where the word actually comes from right now it's a project.

00:42:45.858 --> 00:42:46.721
How do you not know that?

00:42:46.721 --> 00:42:48.764
I know, I know I'm forgetting it right now.

00:42:48.764 --> 00:43:02.864
I think it's a Welsh word Okay, I'm pretty sure which means a world that you can't return to because it was destroyed, or a world that you can't return to because it never existed, right or a world that you can't return to because it never existed, right?

00:43:02.905 --> 00:43:13.159
So that whole idea of that whole time period, of people who were reading all of these things and watching all of these things and playing all of these games and then suddenly it's gone and it's like it never happened right.

00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:20.748
That influenced a riot in a big way, because that idea is really interesting.

00:43:20.847 --> 00:43:36.614
Yeah, because that idea is really interesting, yeah, but you know Star Wars itself like mainly George Lucas' intent behind the series and I loved seeing I studied his like process of how he ended up writing all of that stuff.

00:43:36.614 --> 00:43:44.338
So he originally had formatted nine movies, right, right, but not the nine movies that we know now.

00:43:44.478 --> 00:43:55.422
Or maybe it may have been ten, I don't remember, and he had the first movie being like a prologue, the second two movies being like a two-part epic about the story of Darth Vader, and then it goes into the grandchildren and all this different stuff.

00:43:57.505 --> 00:44:22.038
No, it was 12 movies actually, and I found that idea of him formatting all of this stuff super interesting because it's so crazy and no one had ever done anything like that and no one has done a 12 part epic of one story, well, I mean harry potter's, the one that comes close, harry potter's the one that becomes closest exactly, but, like george lucas's original intent of doing that was something that had never been done before.

00:44:22.038 --> 00:44:22.559
Right.

00:44:22.664 --> 00:44:24.572
And I loved how high he shot.

00:44:24.572 --> 00:44:35.590
And dude someone to come up with a story of six movies, because I only see it as six movies, but, like, because I don't count seven, eight, nine, no one counts seven, eight, nine.

00:44:35.590 --> 00:44:35.931
Yeah.

00:44:35.931 --> 00:44:40.831
But just how he shaped that dude, it's influenced my writing style.

00:44:40.831 --> 00:44:44.117
Maybe, more than my cinematography style.

00:44:44.117 --> 00:44:45.871
I think my cinematography style is closer.

00:44:45.871 --> 00:44:53.219
At least I'm wanting to push it closer to the Richard Donner Superman movies, the what.

00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:56.311
The 1970s Superman movies.

00:44:56.572 --> 00:44:57.313
Wait, is that what George Reeves?

00:44:57.313 --> 00:44:57.793
No, christopher Reeve.

00:44:57.813 --> 00:45:02.324
Christopher Reeve, george Reeves is the one Christopher Reeves Yeahves, george Reeves, christopher Reeves.

00:45:02.364 --> 00:45:05.061
Yeah, yeah, I got those names mixed up.

00:45:05.061 --> 00:45:06.851
Yeah, yeah, yeah, also, you want that style.

00:45:07.766 --> 00:45:08.791
I want to push it towards it.

00:45:08.791 --> 00:45:09.653
You know what I mean.

00:45:09.653 --> 00:45:11.891
I love the practicality of everything.

00:45:11.891 --> 00:45:12.925
Wow I love.

00:45:12.925 --> 00:45:22.159
The thing is, my stuff is it's like all handheld and you're, they're moving in and moving out, but I've been so attracted and I cannot.

00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.454
It's so hard for me to do, but I want to just keep stuff on sticks all the time now.

00:45:27.454 --> 00:45:37.297
Oh, dude, I can relate to that I want to, because it's more I watch movies and then I'm slowly starting to realize like no one's moving the camera.

00:45:37.297 --> 00:45:39.532
Dude, I know right.

00:45:40.626 --> 00:45:49.875
It's only really with Steadicam, but it's just a dolly track, yeah the scene, let just scene tell that play out dude yeah, the movement.

00:45:49.875 --> 00:45:51.036
All right, bro.

00:45:51.036 --> 00:45:52.226
I used to shoot music videos.

00:45:52.226 --> 00:45:55.605
I thought it was cool, but I kept swinging left and right, left and right, left and right.

00:45:55.605 --> 00:45:58.914
I was like, oh yeah, this is cool, but it makes it a pain in the editing room.

00:45:58.974 --> 00:46:00.907
Huh, it makes it a pain in the editing room.

00:46:00.907 --> 00:46:10.445
Yes, because you're like it a pain in the editing room yes, Because, you're like, the clip is like this long and the select is like this big or something like that, yeah.

00:46:10.445 --> 00:46:15.097
And then I'd have to like make everything like 0.5 second cuts and stuff like that.

00:46:15.097 --> 00:46:20.338
But recently I want to try is all I'm saying Wow.

00:46:20.726 --> 00:46:24.425
So you want to try the cinema toffee style where everything's charged.

00:46:24.425 --> 00:46:27.355
You want to stick to the sticks just stay still.

00:46:27.355 --> 00:46:30.744
And then, oh man, you want to do a trilogy.

00:46:30.744 --> 00:46:32.168
Well, no, that's a.

00:46:32.327 --> 00:46:46.570
That's a great, ambitious goal to have when I say trilogy, it's not like three feature-length movies, right, it's basically one movie, right but it's split into three parts right like 15, 20, 30 minute.

00:46:46.570 --> 00:46:51.282
Right parts but uh it in and of itself.

00:46:51.282 --> 00:46:54.994
Yeah, it's absolutely terrifying and, honestly, right now I'm content with just doing one.

00:46:55.376 --> 00:47:02.994
But uh, we'll see now, what the other part of the fear when it comes with managing expectations, with all of?

00:47:02.994 --> 00:47:03.295
That?

00:47:03.295 --> 00:47:04.036
How are?

00:47:04.036 --> 00:47:04.117
You.

00:47:04.117 --> 00:47:07.230
I can't Tell us how you are.

00:47:07.230 --> 00:47:08.972
Walk us through that experience.

00:47:08.972 --> 00:47:18.574
Because that's an important thing Because especially people like you that are starting out, they get wrapped up in the expectations, like they start to get into their head that they can do it.

00:47:18.574 --> 00:47:19.869
But how are you managing that?

00:47:19.869 --> 00:47:20.672
Expectations?

00:47:20.672 --> 00:47:24.146
I'm not, oh no, I'm not, oh no, I'm not.

00:47:24.166 --> 00:47:36.648
Well, I I want to say I am, and you know I am content with getting to a, you know, just getting stories out right.

00:47:36.648 --> 00:47:43.739
But my, my aspirations are so astronomically high I know I can't hit them like really.

00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:49.972
But to have that like end goal in mind, and if I'm just shooting a little bit lower, I don't care about it.

00:47:49.972 --> 00:47:55.135
You know what I mean, but like the expectations are huge, they really are.

00:47:55.826 --> 00:48:17.898
But I think that if I can really, you know, set into my ways and go for it, which I have been trying right, I have been trying, then I can do something that's worthwhile, but no, my expectations are uh, my expectations are way too high and I can't, I can't just I can't bring them down I can't bring them down so you're.

00:48:18.565 --> 00:48:24.737
You have your force, like in star wars, the expectation that you have is just like it's so strong in you.

00:48:24.737 --> 00:48:27.085
It's like the force awakened, the force awakened.

00:48:27.085 --> 00:48:29.050
You're literally the force awakened right now.

00:48:30.072 --> 00:48:31.355
Wow, I've been aware of it.

00:48:31.355 --> 00:48:32.358
I've been aware of it.

00:48:32.358 --> 00:48:35.534
I know that a lot of the stuff is insane.

00:48:35.815 --> 00:48:39.050
Yes, well, not insane To people they all think it's insane.

00:48:39.125 --> 00:48:49.847
But to the right people they will see that as possible as possible, but also like, like dude, if you have like some kind of crazy project, I'm in, I've.

00:48:49.847 --> 00:48:54.096
I've gotten to a point which is difficult for me financially, right, okay.

00:48:54.096 --> 00:49:09.501
But if you have a project that is cool enough and like interesting enough, it really grabs my attention, or if I just like working with you, I will jump on for completely free wow, I don't care I've stopped.

00:49:09.501 --> 00:49:13.494
That's the thing I've stopped make sure you get paid though it's bad.

00:49:13.775 --> 00:49:15.400
Make sure you get paid, though.

00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:28.822
Well, obviously, if it's something like if it's something where I could be getting money, I'm going to try, but if you have something right and it's, you know, that's just where I'm at, Wow.

00:49:28.943 --> 00:49:29.905
That's just where I'm at.

00:49:29.905 --> 00:49:31.688
I love the confidence with that one.

00:49:31.829 --> 00:49:33.635
That's where I'm at, that's good, that's good.

00:49:33.635 --> 00:49:42.338
Well, dude, like, if you have a story that you want to tell who am I to be, like, well, we'll pay me first.

00:49:42.338 --> 00:49:45.250
You know, because we're buds.

00:49:45.250 --> 00:49:45.931
You know what I mean.

00:49:45.931 --> 00:49:52.650
We're buds, I'm going to help my bud and like, obviously, I, dude, I pay my friends whenever, whenever they work for me, and stuff like that.

00:49:52.650 --> 00:50:07.144
But, like, I don't like, if you want me on a project, if you're doing a cool documentary, if you're doing a short film or music video or something, and you're like, dude, I just want to work with you call me up, guys, if you have any projects okay, wait a minute.

00:50:08.731 --> 00:50:09.353
There's a line.

00:50:11.952 --> 00:50:20.905
I said my friends well, now with the Star Wars, now that you describe how the way, with the 1970's style of Superman.

00:50:20.905 --> 00:50:24.407
What about the photoshopping thing with the fan arts?

00:50:24.467 --> 00:50:30.445
yeah, they're good they're yeah, they're pretty decent, yeah, so a lot of it again.

00:50:30.445 --> 00:50:35.224
Like I was saying before, like it came from um, I just wanted to learn photoshop right stuff like that.

00:50:35.224 --> 00:50:43.119
And then it got to a point where you know a lot of the social media traction that you get with Photoshop is recognizable IPs that people really like.

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.751
I'm a real fan of DC.

00:50:46.751 --> 00:50:52.891
Superman is, I think, one of the best characters ever to see Okay there's a line I like.

00:50:52.891 --> 00:50:53.733
Marvel.

00:50:54.355 --> 00:51:01.501
Well, well, okay, I like Superman and I like the Justice League, but I don't like the DC extended universe of the movies that they've been making recently, like Batman versus Superman, that kind of stuff.

00:51:01.501 --> 00:51:05.909
But I don't like the DC extended universe of like the movies that they've been making recently, like Batman vs Superman, that kind of stuff.

00:51:05.909 --> 00:51:06.371
I don't like that.

00:51:06.806 --> 00:51:08.132
Wait, are you talking about the Snyder Cut?

00:51:08.132 --> 00:51:09.635
I didn't watch the Snyder Cut.

00:51:09.635 --> 00:51:10.465
You don't like the Snyder Cut.

00:51:10.545 --> 00:51:11.369
I didn't watch the Snyder Cut.

00:51:11.369 --> 00:51:12.697
What I watched?

00:51:12.697 --> 00:51:13.405
The Snyder Cut.

00:51:13.405 --> 00:51:14.567
I didn't watch the Snyder Cut.

00:51:14.567 --> 00:51:16.068
What the fuck.

00:51:17.469 --> 00:51:33.291
This is, in my opinion, the best portrayal of the Justice League, in my opinion that DC has come close to Well yeah, well, the thing is I, how do I explain this?

00:51:33.351 --> 00:51:34.074
How do I explain this?

00:51:34.074 --> 00:51:35.771
I haven't seen it, so I can't really comment.

00:51:36.126 --> 00:51:37.690
Oh, you have to man.

00:51:37.911 --> 00:51:38.634
I'll watch it.

00:51:38.634 --> 00:51:45.405
There are aspects of man of steel that I really love right where it like.

00:51:45.405 --> 00:51:48.431
I like the format of the storytelling and stuff like that.

00:51:48.431 --> 00:51:53.889
But I am a christopher reeve big guy.

00:51:53.889 --> 00:51:56.032
Really I love christopher reeve.

00:51:56.032 --> 00:51:58.918
I think he he's one of my favorite actors of all time.

00:51:59.507 --> 00:52:03.244
I'm obsessed you think henry cavill lived up to the Superman?

00:52:03.264 --> 00:52:03.385
name.

00:52:03.385 --> 00:52:05.469
I think that he could have, but I don't think he has.

00:52:05.489 --> 00:52:05.971
What do you mean?

00:52:05.971 --> 00:52:07.293
You expanded that.

00:52:07.474 --> 00:52:10.791
Expanded that Okay, okay, we'll go to the Superman.

00:52:10.811 --> 00:52:11.634
Okay, all right, okay.

00:52:13.146 --> 00:52:20.460
So there are a few like standoff things that I think qualify him as being possibly the best Superman.

00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:25.108
Henry Cav qualify him as being possibly the best superman.

00:52:25.108 --> 00:52:25.851
Henry kevin tried okay, but he okay.

00:52:25.851 --> 00:52:29.601
It's not that he didn't try, because I think if he was given christopher reeve script he could have.

00:52:29.601 --> 00:52:38.329
Well, I don't know about christopher reeve script because I don't think their original superman movie okay james gunn is also coming out with a different.

00:52:38.349 --> 00:52:44.617
I'm actually so excited about that yeah, the way he's going about that is a lot closer to christopher reeve.

00:52:44.617 --> 00:52:46.760
Yeah, exactly era than what we're asking.

00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:47.545
What's not a cut?

00:52:47.545 --> 00:52:52.255
It's more dark, more grounded yeah, well, I think there's.

00:52:52.295 --> 00:53:11.192
There's a line between, because you can do grounded right, but we can or cannot you can do ground, okay, but you have to do it in a way that still makes the character the exact same character, okay what I mean yes, so it's like he can, he can have.

00:53:11.192 --> 00:53:38.311
I really liked what snyder did with krypton and you had like a real feeling alien world right felt like actually like, okay, I understand this right and it felt almost lord of the rings and I was like okay, I really like that yeah but then if you have, you know, superman, who is the beacon of all hope, fighting zion and metropolis instead of in an open field where no one would be hurt it doesn't make as much sense because he is like in my mind.

00:53:38.371 --> 00:53:40.376
I've I've read so many superman comics.

00:53:40.376 --> 00:53:41.949
I am such a superman fanatic.

00:53:46.605 --> 00:53:48.907
This is the one thing that I think my girlfriend might hate me for.

00:53:48.907 --> 00:53:50.487
I've read everything.

00:53:50.487 --> 00:53:53.809
Honestly, this may sound weird.

00:53:53.809 --> 00:54:16.023
Go for it Like I've had a notes app in my phone for exactly what I do with a Superman saga, wow For such a long time, and it's so solid and I think it would be the best adaptation of Superman ever.

00:54:16.023 --> 00:54:23.016
It would be so good, but I couldn't do it in a million years because I'm freaking 19 and no one would hire me.

00:54:23.016 --> 00:54:24.407
To be fair, we didn't.

00:54:24.467 --> 00:54:29.476
We didn't expect james gunn to even take the helm of um of the dc.

00:54:29.476 --> 00:54:34.275
So no, and there will be people that will come after james gunn is done with the.

00:54:34.275 --> 00:54:36.007
There will be people that we didn't ever expect.

00:54:36.007 --> 00:54:38.478
So I think, yeah, I think you can do it.

00:54:38.478 --> 00:54:46.090
It's just more of like you gotta do the trials and retribution that the the directors that went through to get to where they are now.

00:54:46.807 --> 00:54:58.903
So save that, I think it might come in handy yeah, exactly the last thing I will say about the Superman and Snyder Cut is how I really appreciate how Snyder portrayed difference in terms of strength between the army soldiers.

00:54:58.903 --> 00:55:01.271
Do you remember that I don't have you watched man of stew?

00:55:01.652 --> 00:55:02.313
I have watched man of steel.

00:55:02.313 --> 00:55:02.614
Yes, do you?

00:55:02.634 --> 00:55:13.228
remember the scene where they were fighting in the town, where superman was fighting off the aliens um zod's, um uh partners or they were fighting with the american soldiers.

00:55:13.228 --> 00:55:20.835
What I appreciated about that is you could see the distinct strength in comparison to a superhuman yeah, a regular soldier.

00:55:21.056 --> 00:55:28.621
Yeah, yeah, that, yeah, and I will not diss Snyder's cinematography style because it is absolutely stellar.

00:55:28.621 --> 00:55:30.409
Yes, and it is so distinct.

00:55:30.409 --> 00:55:37.086
Yes, and it is so I feel like he can paint like a comic book visual so well, just like Watch Like.

00:55:37.086 --> 00:55:41.630
Watchmen yes, like Watchmen, I think Batman v Superman has some incredible cinematography.

00:55:41.670 --> 00:55:43.293
Wait, batman vs Superman.

00:55:43.434 --> 00:55:47.373
The BVS, yeah, bvs, okay, yeah yeah, yeah, I think it has some incredible cinematography.

00:55:47.835 --> 00:55:48.699
Storyline sucks.

00:55:48.739 --> 00:55:50.184
Story it sucked.

00:55:50.184 --> 00:55:54.514
I also didn't watch it because I'm that much of a hater.

00:55:54.514 --> 00:55:56.326
Well, I'm not that much of a hater, it sucked.

00:55:57.106 --> 00:55:58.969
No, what, you never watched BVS.

00:55:58.969 --> 00:55:59.510
I didn't watch BVS.

00:55:59.510 --> 00:56:01.514
How can you say that and not watch it?

00:56:02.516 --> 00:56:08.791
But you are right, I'm a major, I don't have I think people are so Like, don't have to have reasons.

00:56:08.791 --> 00:56:09.092
Yes.

00:56:09.092 --> 00:56:11.271
Just like people are infinitely.

00:56:13.226 --> 00:56:14.067
You save yourself time.

00:56:14.067 --> 00:56:15.068
Bvs was not good.

00:56:15.329 --> 00:56:15.909
Okay, good it.

00:56:15.909 --> 00:56:18.572
Just I heard the director's cut is better.

00:56:19.452 --> 00:56:23.398
Yes, I can agree with that, but no, still not as good, still not as good.

00:56:23.398 --> 00:56:27.983
Okay, so that's a bit about the Superman With the Photoshop.

00:56:27.983 --> 00:56:30.846
One more thing on that one yeah, go ahead With Photoshop.

00:56:30.846 --> 00:56:39.059
How are you transferring the skills that you've acquired in Photoshop into what you do now as a cinematographer?

00:56:39.545 --> 00:56:44.954
Well, okay, so I actually started as a cinematographer before I was in photoshop oh, okay, so I I've been.

00:56:44.954 --> 00:56:47.985
My parents enrolled me in an online christian film school.

00:56:47.985 --> 00:56:51.514
When, I was 14 okay and I really worked hard on it.

00:56:51.514 --> 00:56:52.657
Well, I didn't really work hard.

00:56:52.657 --> 00:56:55.909
I did it and um, I've been filming.

00:56:55.909 --> 00:56:59.534
I filmed on a freaking canon 60d, if you can imagine.

00:56:59.534 --> 00:57:02.059
Old school cheapo stuff.

00:57:02.059 --> 00:57:04.186
Old school Dude.

00:57:04.186 --> 00:57:09.405
I learned a lot, and then I installed a software called Magic Lantern onto my camera.

00:57:09.726 --> 00:57:12.364
Oh my God, I haven't heard that name in a long time.

00:57:12.485 --> 00:57:13.710
You remember Magic Lantern.

00:57:13.710 --> 00:57:15.331
It killed my camera.

00:57:15.331 --> 00:57:15.733
Oh.

00:57:15.733 --> 00:57:18.891
And so the camera was gone.

00:57:18.891 --> 00:57:24.175
The camera was gone and I was like crap, what do I do?

00:57:24.364 --> 00:57:24.905
How much was that?

00:57:24.925 --> 00:57:25.166
camera.

00:57:25.166 --> 00:57:26.851
At that time, bro, it was only like $200.

00:57:26.851 --> 00:57:27.713
It was not expensive.

00:57:27.713 --> 00:57:29.737
It was not expensive.

00:57:29.737 --> 00:57:33.710
But I was like I'm not going to get another 60G, I'm going to upgrade.

00:57:33.710 --> 00:57:35.873
So I didn't do it for a long time.

00:57:35.873 --> 00:57:38.367
And then I was like so, dude, what do I freaking do when my camera's gone?

00:57:38.367 --> 00:57:41.009
So, dude, what do I freaking do when my camera's gone?

00:57:41.009 --> 00:57:43.110
That was like my thing, yeah.

00:57:43.110 --> 00:57:46.873
So I got into Photoshop and, dude, I loved it.

00:57:46.873 --> 00:57:51.277
And you were talking about like how did this actually influence like what you're doing now?

00:57:51.277 --> 00:58:06.777
Right, so what I've found is to look development and, because it doesn't really affect me as much, I think I am better at lighting subjects because of it with natural light.

00:58:07.157 --> 00:58:16.898
Okay, because I know how to relight faces in Photoshop and stuff like that, and I know how to paint intricate costumes and stuff like that, but it has to be believable.

00:58:16.898 --> 00:58:39.068
So, like color theory and stuff like that, I do know a lot more about that, but mainly it helps me a lot in terms of, you know, visual development of horiath, right where I need to like, like, I want to pin down like a look for this character, I need to figure it out, um and like, like, once I have it, I can photoshop better than I can draw at this point.

00:58:39.068 --> 00:58:46.195
So so it's like I Photoshop the character out and I'm like, oh well, I totally understand who this character is.

00:58:46.195 --> 00:58:52.833
I can write this character like that, and it's just helped in that aspect and it's fun.

00:58:52.833 --> 00:58:54.217
It's fun, I love Photoshop.

00:58:55.445 --> 00:58:57.172
No, because Photoshopping was a.

00:58:57.172 --> 00:58:59.672
It used to be a thing from a long time ago.

00:58:59.672 --> 00:59:07.650
I used to create Photoshop composites and it's never, really Never stuck out to you.

00:59:07.911 --> 00:59:08.554
I don't like it.

00:59:08.554 --> 00:59:11.701
Well, it depends on what you're doing with it.

00:59:11.701 --> 00:59:12.023
You know what?

00:59:12.023 --> 00:59:12.324
I mean yeah.

00:59:12.505 --> 00:59:14.994
And it depends on how you curate the experience.

00:59:14.994 --> 00:59:28.831
All you got to do is freaking picture in, picture a funny and put it in the top corner of your screen, and I could work for 20 hours a day and I could be making anything.

00:59:28.831 --> 00:59:32.009
All you need is some baseline.

00:59:32.009 --> 00:59:39.293
What I found okay is when I'm working, if I can come up with something fun to do during something that I don't like.

00:59:39.293 --> 00:59:44.507
I like what I'm doing, so that's what's helped.

00:59:44.507 --> 00:59:45.954
With Photoshop, I just put on a funny show.

00:59:46.105 --> 00:59:52.193
It's just really hard to sit through, but then again I think it takes a certain people like you to really enjoy the experience.

00:59:52.193 --> 01:00:03.791
I think some people will find maybe it's not for them, but I'm really glad that the skills that you have found in Photoshop still is transferable to cinematography in some form of capacity which is good.

01:00:04.766 --> 01:00:06.172
I still do Photoshop all the time.

01:00:06.172 --> 01:00:13.248
I'm making rack cards for businesses.

01:00:13.248 --> 01:00:14.371
I'm making all this different stuff for business.

01:00:14.371 --> 01:00:16.179
I'm doing like I've done album covers, I've done movie posters, I've done a ton of stuff.

01:00:16.179 --> 01:00:16.460
Um not trying?

01:00:16.460 --> 01:00:26.168
To brag or anything, obviously, but like, it's okay to brag, it's okay it's okay it's a business of bragging, but um, it's, it's transferable and I still use it all the time yeah, all the time.

01:00:26.710 --> 01:00:31.512
Well, we're going to pivot into the therapy session, or section of this episode.

01:00:31.512 --> 01:00:35.911
How have your parents accepted your choice in choosing this career?

01:00:35.911 --> 01:00:44.690
You already answered it with your own perspective, but now I would like to know how are they able to come to terms that you are going to go with this career path?

01:00:44.744 --> 01:00:48.431
Dude, they've pushed me for it so hard oh man, you are really lucky to have that.

01:00:48.592 --> 01:00:49.864
I am, I really am Dude.

01:00:49.864 --> 01:00:50.849
My parents have been.

01:00:50.849 --> 01:01:04.414
So my mom, my mom was a musician for a really long time and she, dude, she phenomenal musician, phenomenal voice, just phenomenal whoa, phenomenal character.

01:01:04.414 --> 01:01:08.556
And my dad my dad was a pastor for a really long time and he always like pushed me.

01:01:08.556 --> 01:01:13.449
He was like I really didn't like the college experience.

01:01:13.449 --> 01:01:16.362
If you've always felt called to you know filming and creating and stuff like that, yeah, I'm gonna help you.

01:01:16.362 --> 01:01:19.731
And so my parents actually totally a lot of people are like dude.

01:01:19.731 --> 01:01:24.208
My parents got so mad at me when I got into this yeah my parents.

01:01:25.208 --> 01:01:37.034
They've pushed me to work harder, okay, which like when I was like freaking 17 or something like that I was like come on Mom and Dad Like I'm 17.

01:01:38.346 --> 01:01:50.454
And then you know they were totally right it was like if I work, there's a difference between us, like I don't want to go down the college path or something like that, I don't want to go down this path and I don't want to go down the college path or something like that.

01:01:50.454 --> 01:01:51.739
I don't want to go down this path and I want to do my own thing.

01:01:51.739 --> 01:01:58.777
I'm going to be an artist, right, but you're not working, then you're just, you know, you're just not working, you're not trying, and you know what I mean.

01:01:58.777 --> 01:02:14.737
And it's like my parents pushed me to work hard in what I was doing, but also they were, they were so supportive and I really thank them so much Because, dude, I know so many parents who would have killed their kids if they did this, killed them.

01:02:14.737 --> 01:02:16.539
I'm beyond blessed.

01:02:17.059 --> 01:02:19.306
Yeah, beyond blessed dude.

01:02:19.306 --> 01:02:22.429
Now, that's a weird thing to have, especially because I understand.

01:02:22.429 --> 01:02:32.751
As I got older, I understood where my parents were coming from, but Jesus Christ, yeah.

01:02:32.751 --> 01:02:36.494
That's not something you should take lightly.

01:02:36.494 --> 01:02:37.786
The fact that they're doing that.

01:02:37.786 --> 01:02:42.717
It's just like how has that boosted your confidence in going forward?

01:02:42.898 --> 01:02:45.050
So much, dude, I don't have to.

01:02:45.050 --> 01:02:49.291
The thing is, I only have to worry about letting them down.

01:02:49.291 --> 01:02:50.135
You know what I?

01:02:50.135 --> 01:02:55.056
Mean, and I don't like, I don't see them thinking that really.

01:02:55.056 --> 01:03:02.913
And it's like I really admire, like how they saw this, and my parents are people who love the arts.

01:03:02.913 --> 01:03:12.778
They like love seeing people do what they're called to and I actually forgot what the question was a little bit.

01:03:13.206 --> 01:03:14.190
What was the question again?

01:03:14.190 --> 01:03:17.891
How has that boosted your confidence?

01:03:17.891 --> 01:03:19.516
In going forward with the support of your parents.

01:03:19.516 --> 01:03:20.137
It totally has.

01:03:21.346 --> 01:03:33.405
Remember what I said, dude, it is one in a million and I'm so glad that I have it, because if I didn't have it, well, if I didn't have them kicking me in the butt I would have been doing nothing.

01:03:33.405 --> 01:03:45.632
But if they were like they, they told me like to work at it, like make, like go out, make connections, talk to people and do what you love.

01:03:45.632 --> 01:03:51.952
Because if my dad worked for a long time Just at a 9 to 5.

01:03:51.952 --> 01:03:54.811
And he was like I hated that, and then do you know what I'm doing now?

01:03:54.811 --> 01:04:01.690
I have a boat rental business and I get to go and put people out on the water and I love my job.

01:04:01.690 --> 01:04:03.507
And I'm like dude.

01:04:04.128 --> 01:04:07.936
I don't want to have a period in my life where I'm not doing exactly what I love.

01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:13.675
You know, can you walk us through a time where you have that side?

01:04:13.675 --> 01:04:17.210
Of the support Now walk us through a time where everything was just.

01:04:17.210 --> 01:04:26.918
You felt down, you just felt doubtful, Because I guarantee that you cannot tell me there has not been a moment like that in your life.

01:04:26.918 --> 01:04:27.746
This happened, dude.

01:04:27.746 --> 01:04:28.208
Tell me this happened.

01:04:28.228 --> 01:04:29.670
There has not been a moment like that in your life.

01:04:29.670 --> 01:04:31.135
This happened, dude, but I, you know it there was.

01:04:31.135 --> 01:04:46.552
It was really just when I wasn't putting my nose to the grindstone, okay, and I thought like, oh, like you know, it's the typical teenager mindset where you, okay, you know, I'm a teenager so I can say it but it's like, oh, I don't want to do what everybody tells me what to do you know?

01:04:46.552 --> 01:04:54.960
And it was when I realized oh, I can be on my own path.

01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:55.541
Okay.

01:04:55.644 --> 01:05:01.018
But I can take these inputs from people and actually apply them.

01:05:01.018 --> 01:05:03.512
And well, you know, I felt so much better.

01:05:03.512 --> 01:05:07.407
I was actually doing going down the right path.

01:05:07.407 --> 01:05:08.009
You know what I mean.

01:05:08.009 --> 01:05:09.469
I was actually doing going down the right path.

01:05:09.469 --> 01:05:12.271
You know what I mean and I had.

01:05:12.271 --> 01:05:12.632
You know.

01:05:12.632 --> 01:05:15.775
It's that time where I broke my camera.

01:05:15.775 --> 01:05:19.036
I was sad, but like Sad boy hour.

01:05:19.036 --> 01:05:25.382
Sad boy hour, but like I, if that never would have happened, then I never would have learned.

01:05:31.664 --> 01:05:43.030
No-transcript photoshop so you believe in the butterfly effect dude, I am, I'm a christian, so I'm like totally like everything is predestined, everything is going somewhere.

01:05:43.030 --> 01:05:45.313
You know what I mean and I feel like I know exactly where.

01:05:45.313 --> 01:05:49.659
Not exactly where I'm going, but I know that there's a plan in the long run.

01:05:49.659 --> 01:05:53.735
So that's just it's cool.

01:05:54.434 --> 01:05:59.871
That's the hardest part, because even when I was doing this for a while, it's just the fear.

01:05:59.871 --> 01:06:04.427
You say that it's all pre-planned, but well, guess what?

01:06:04.427 --> 01:06:08.128
I would like to know that plan in paper oh dude, I do too.

01:06:08.250 --> 01:06:09.452
Don't think that I don't too.

01:06:09.452 --> 01:06:10.315
Everybody does.

01:06:10.315 --> 01:06:13.434
Everybody's just like, oh, I know exactly what's going on.

01:06:13.434 --> 01:06:26.300
Nobody knows right, but I feel like if you find the path and you walk down it and you're like, oh okay, you know it, yeah.

01:06:26.300 --> 01:06:28.110
You're like this is the path.

01:06:28.110 --> 01:06:34.974
I know what it is and you may stray from it, but that's also part of the bad.

01:06:34.974 --> 01:06:38.166
That's what I love about that's oh my gosh, that's what you know.

01:06:38.387 --> 01:06:51.534
This is kind of an emotional podcast, see that is the purpose, to get you cry, um, actually, the fact that you're 19 and you know what to do means you're already at least like 60 or at least like 75% ahead.

01:06:51.554 --> 01:06:55.552
Of everybody else, Because dude at that age they're still going to.

01:06:55.893 --> 01:06:59.492
There are still some friends of mine who went to college and still not know what they want.

01:06:59.492 --> 01:07:05.891
So the fact that you know what you want it puts you ahead of the game Now the question is this, now that you know what you want to do.

01:07:05.891 --> 01:07:08.757
Yeah, has it been hard for you to you know.

01:07:08.757 --> 01:07:17.590
Um, cut out the friends that aren't, because when we are so passionate, and when they see that they're gonna, they're taking them wrong way right.

01:07:17.849 --> 01:07:33.518
Yeah, no, the thing is, you are incredibly right with this and what I found is that if I can't find someone who doesn't have even if it's not in film that doesn't have, like this is like me shooting for the moon.

01:07:33.518 --> 01:07:34.539
This is something crazy.

01:07:34.539 --> 01:07:34.900
Yeah.

01:07:35.041 --> 01:07:36.666
Right, and they're not.

01:07:36.666 --> 01:07:47.534
If they don't know it yet I try and push them toward it a little bit, like, think of these things, yeah, think of where you're going, because I was blessed to know when I was freaking 14.

01:07:47.534 --> 01:07:53.916
Like, I knew where I wanted to go and I feel like it is it's.

01:07:53.916 --> 01:08:01.556
It's not that I cut them out, but it is so much harder to connect to people that don't have a dream you know that.

01:08:01.597 --> 01:08:19.091
Don't have a like this is where I'm going, and it's easier right when it's someone who wants to go the same way as yes, like dude me and you, like we hit it we hit it off like probably shooting for the mafia oh, yeah, yeah.

01:08:19.150 --> 01:08:21.414
Uh, for context, we were at a uh event shoot.

01:08:21.414 --> 01:08:27.819
Um cannot disclose the event, but it was a pretty cool event where a lot of high value.

01:08:27.819 --> 01:08:35.518
People showed up and he was there shooting into black magic, but as 18 to 35, yeah, and it was a big ass break whereas I showed.

01:08:35.518 --> 01:08:48.155
It's where I showed up with a fx3 his, his rig is so light and I'm so jealous a carpal tunnel dude I'm going to do but go on, I'm gonna have jacked on four arms by the end of shooting.

01:08:48.195 --> 01:08:49.787
Yes, by the end of shooting with this.

01:08:49.787 --> 01:08:51.451
Yes, unless you get an easy rig?

01:08:51.470 --> 01:08:53.136
I actually won't.

01:08:53.136 --> 01:08:53.377
I've.

01:08:53.377 --> 01:08:59.158
I've played around with one I got I got to use it an easy rig and it was a ronin 4d.

01:08:59.158 --> 01:09:00.220
Oh, are you talking?

01:09:00.240 --> 01:09:01.944
about the chicken head.

01:09:01.944 --> 01:09:03.606
Chicken head, I call it a chicken head.

01:09:03.606 --> 01:09:05.628
Yes, totally chicken head wow it.

01:09:05.890 --> 01:09:08.412
It was nice and I get to use a 900D.

01:09:08.412 --> 01:09:11.836
Damn, were you on a camera show Like an expo.

01:09:11.836 --> 01:09:14.498
I wasn't, so a buddy of mine, dylan, hi Dylan.

01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:16.161
Hi Dylan, another shout out.

01:09:19.990 --> 01:09:21.956
Has a ton of gear and I was doing real estate stuff with him for a while.

01:09:21.956 --> 01:09:26.947
Okay, not doing it as much anymore, who knows?

01:09:28.188 --> 01:09:30.529
But going back to the experience of it's just so hard.

01:09:30.529 --> 01:09:32.670
Now you want to find the right people.

01:09:32.670 --> 01:09:35.051
How is that like in this area?

01:09:35.591 --> 01:09:43.814
It's hard, but when you find someone, it's fantastic Because they're so desperate for it and they want to find it Like dude.

01:09:43.814 --> 01:09:46.775
I found you right and you were like dude.

01:09:46.775 --> 01:09:56.939
It's so hard to find people in this area, which I agree with, but I also think that if you look hard enough and you find the right people, it's so much more worthwhile.

01:09:56.939 --> 01:09:58.140
You know what I'm talking about.

01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:04.422
If you're trying to find creative people, go to 30A and film whoever's playing music.

01:10:04.422 --> 01:10:07.264
I'm buddies with Dion Jones, dion Jones and the Neon.

01:10:07.264 --> 01:10:08.484
Tears, deon jones and the on tears.

01:10:08.484 --> 01:10:09.987
You should totally have him on this podcast.

01:10:09.987 --> 01:10:12.010
He's such a chill guy sup deon.

01:10:14.555 --> 01:10:17.380
Um, he like I just I was out.

01:10:17.380 --> 01:10:22.176
I was actually filming for my buddy, okay, who now goes by buddy because he's also a musician.

01:10:22.176 --> 01:10:23.065
What's up, michael?

01:10:23.065 --> 01:10:29.759
Uh and uh, right after we were getting food and de was playing, I was like dude, can I shoot you?

01:10:29.759 --> 01:10:31.371
He was like go for it.

01:10:31.484 --> 01:10:36.695
And then we totally worked together and I went to film him at a studio and stuff like that.

01:10:36.695 --> 01:10:41.274
He was a super chill guy and it's again.

01:10:41.274 --> 01:10:45.793
I do agree with you that it is hard to find people, but the people here are so awesome.

01:10:47.046 --> 01:10:52.078
Well, with that being said, do you ever see yourself going to LA or Atlanta, or New York, maybe Atlanta?

01:10:52.078 --> 01:10:56.690
Well see, because here's the thing Atlanta, All you think of is tourists.

01:10:56.690 --> 01:10:57.807
In my opinion.

01:10:57.807 --> 01:11:03.775
I've said it in previous podcasts, not that I don't have any hate, but it's just the way it just feels.

01:11:03.775 --> 01:11:07.345
People come down here to retire yeah, because it's a place to relax.

01:11:07.345 --> 01:11:09.028
People don't go down here to retire because it's a place to relax People.

01:11:09.047 --> 01:11:16.917
don't go down here to build, but there are people here that are trying to do that, whereas with ATL and Atlanta or no, atl is the same thing as Atlanta.

01:11:17.037 --> 01:11:18.020
Atlanta, new York, atlanta.

01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:20.851
Yeah, you have all this place, you have access to people just like you.

01:11:20.851 --> 01:11:24.854
So, is that in your predestined plan?

01:11:25.274 --> 01:11:25.877
Yeah, okay.

01:11:25.877 --> 01:11:33.890
So yeah, you have a good point there, right?

01:11:33.890 --> 01:11:38.759
But within this, the thing is, there are so many memes where you get to los angeles and it's like, are you?

01:11:38.759 --> 01:11:42.301
Oh so you're the special guy from your hometown that everybody?

01:11:42.301 --> 01:11:46.453
That everybody a little bit of fear is there right?

01:11:46.453 --> 01:11:54.356
Yeah, it's like I don't want to be the guy that is that you know what I mean't want to be the guy that is that you know what I mean we're on the special guy from my hometown yeah everything I would like.

01:11:55.146 --> 01:11:58.434
there are really cool opportunities in the panhandle.

01:11:58.434 --> 01:12:01.447
Like dude, freaking chris stapleton has a house down here.

01:12:01.447 --> 01:12:14.011
I've I heard that taylor swift is building a house down here, like dude, but they're probably doing that to relax Exactly to relax, and stuff like that.

01:12:14.011 --> 01:12:16.591
But you're on vacation.

01:12:16.591 --> 01:12:17.735
How about a music video?

01:12:17.735 --> 01:12:23.137
Well, dude, I would be fine with going wherever the wind takes me, yes, right.

01:12:23.137 --> 01:12:26.673
I love this area.

01:12:27.586 --> 01:12:33.864
I think it's the most beautiful area down here, oh my gosh, I'll tell you, I'm really jaded with the beach and the beach.

01:12:33.984 --> 01:12:36.573
Yeah, because you don't like the beach, because you get the hearing aid and stuff like that.

01:12:36.685 --> 01:12:40.054
Yeah but also it got old after living here for six or seven years.

01:12:40.054 --> 01:12:41.658
Six or seven years I agree with you.

01:12:41.658 --> 01:12:43.251
How long have you lived here?

01:12:43.685 --> 01:12:45.006
I've lived here since I was 10.

01:12:45.006 --> 01:12:45.587
Jesus Christ, nine years.

01:12:45.587 --> 01:12:47.048
I've lived here since I was 10, so nine years, jesus Christ.

01:12:47.088 --> 01:12:49.091
Oh, my goodness, and you have not gotten tired of it.

01:12:49.251 --> 01:12:49.751
No, dude.

01:12:49.751 --> 01:12:50.972
No, I love this place.

01:12:50.972 --> 01:12:52.613
That's impressive, it is.

01:12:52.613 --> 01:12:59.641
It is difficult, but I also, to be fair, I live out in Santa Rosa, okay, and Santa Rosa is in the heart of everything.

01:12:59.641 --> 01:13:01.247
You have.

01:13:01.247 --> 01:13:02.731
Destin right here, you got 30.

01:13:02.771 --> 01:13:11.409
You got Inlet rosemary, yeah, and you've got niceville, and you know, niceville is a little bit more boring.

01:13:11.409 --> 01:13:12.152
It's a little nice about this place.

01:13:12.171 --> 01:13:15.025
Yeah, it's all right, it's all right, but you know they're dude.

01:13:15.025 --> 01:13:16.631
They're nice people in niceville.

01:13:16.631 --> 01:13:17.795
I love the people here.

01:13:17.795 --> 01:13:22.287
Yeah, well, the people in this area, I think, are so nice.

01:13:22.287 --> 01:13:26.373
And is it a little bit of me being a homebody?

01:13:26.373 --> 01:13:45.734
Sure, yes, sure it definitely is, but honestly I am fine with wherever the wind takes if you got an opportunity to work on a dune trilogy like next trilogy yeah, I would be there, of course I would yeah, and then once you start getting to the environment, you see all these directors you have easy access to.

01:13:45.815 --> 01:13:51.612
They're all right what's gonna stop you from not wanting to come back here you're right, and it is family.

01:13:51.872 --> 01:13:52.413
You know actually.

01:13:52.413 --> 01:13:54.345
You know what you're 19 I think you will.

01:13:54.445 --> 01:13:55.769
Uh, we're gonna have you.

01:13:55.769 --> 01:13:57.472
We're gonna have him back on a later episode.

01:13:57.472 --> 01:14:01.769
He's gonna be a different person then I'm gonna be.

01:14:02.009 --> 01:14:04.632
I'm gonna be 20 and I'm gonna be like I hate everybody.

01:14:04.632 --> 01:14:06.555
Oh, oh God, I'm going to be 30.

01:14:07.657 --> 01:14:08.759
Whoa.

01:14:08.759 --> 01:14:10.081
Oh my God, but anyways.

01:14:10.081 --> 01:14:15.472
So well, I mean, you have a lot going for you.

01:14:15.472 --> 01:14:17.136
I hope so.

01:14:17.136 --> 01:14:19.000
I'm 25.

01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.190
Yes, you have a lot going for you.

01:14:21.190 --> 01:14:21.752
Shut the fuck up.

01:14:21.752 --> 01:14:22.576
Thank you, thank you.

01:14:22.576 --> 01:14:23.217
Okay okay.

01:14:23.545 --> 01:14:25.292
You have a lot going for you, which is good.

01:14:25.292 --> 01:14:26.407
You're going to do great.

01:14:26.407 --> 01:14:27.850
I have a lot going for you, which is good.

01:14:27.850 --> 01:14:28.512
You're going to do great.

01:14:28.512 --> 01:14:31.561
I have a lot of opportunities and it's great, and I'm working and I'm really happy with all I have.

01:14:32.365 --> 01:14:33.247
Please take this time.

01:14:33.247 --> 01:14:37.778
If there's one thing I could tell myself, it's to slow down.

01:14:37.778 --> 01:14:41.332
Just don't burn any bridges, please.

01:14:41.332 --> 01:14:41.893
I won't.

01:14:42.515 --> 01:14:43.016
I have.

01:14:43.016 --> 01:14:48.351
I will try not to anymore Dude it will come back to bite Dude.

01:14:48.351 --> 01:14:48.733
It is so easy.

01:14:48.733 --> 01:14:51.675
It is so easy so you've had some experiences there.

01:14:51.675 --> 01:14:53.061
Yes, is what you're saying.

01:14:53.061 --> 01:14:55.371
So are you allowed to elaborate on?

01:14:55.390 --> 01:14:57.657
camera, burning bridges.

01:14:57.657 --> 01:15:00.792
There are some where I just like to.

01:15:00.792 --> 01:15:02.277
There is one particular.

01:15:02.277 --> 01:15:04.064
There were multiple experiences.

01:15:04.064 --> 01:15:08.231
One company that I worked for, basically, I shot.

01:15:08.231 --> 01:15:10.626
They saw my work.

01:15:10.626 --> 01:15:12.189
You know, know, the usual drill it's all work, looks cool.

01:15:12.189 --> 01:15:13.171
Hey, can we hire you?

01:15:13.171 --> 01:15:17.909
Cool, yeah, I shot a music video for them and then all hell went broke.

01:15:17.909 --> 01:15:19.313
Uh, broke loose really.

01:15:19.313 --> 01:15:32.554
First sign of trouble was um, there was one scene where we were supposed to be done in two, but they kept saying that my lighting wasn't doing any good, so I had to rearrange 20 setups 20 setups.

01:15:32.594 --> 01:15:33.574
So, keep in mind.

01:15:33.574 --> 01:15:35.817
This was when I was, I think, 19 or 20.

01:15:36.216 --> 01:15:38.958
Okay, Were you a one-man crew here.

01:15:38.958 --> 01:15:40.640
Were you a one-man crew here.

01:15:40.661 --> 01:15:42.162
Well, actually I had a friend of mine, hunter.

01:15:42.162 --> 01:15:43.945
He was helping out.

01:15:44.806 --> 01:15:51.034
They had me do 20-plus setups just to because they all they kept saying, oh, we don't like the lighting, it was the makeup.

01:15:51.034 --> 01:15:52.556
But I kept saying, no, it's the makeup.

01:15:52.556 --> 01:16:02.318
And after 20, I told guys, we were, we were, we were supposed to be there for two hours, only to end up being there for four hours.

01:16:02.318 --> 01:16:03.783
Four hours, are you serious?

01:16:03.783 --> 01:16:05.005
We had to pay time.

01:16:05.005 --> 01:16:13.018
And I finally told them hey, you need to get a makeup artist here to fix the makeup yeah, and lo and behold, it was the makeup it was the makeup.

01:16:13.018 --> 01:16:13.958
That's the first sound of trouble.

01:16:13.958 --> 01:16:14.826
Second sound of trouble.

01:16:15.970 --> 01:16:21.726
I was filming for a scene it's the last one, yeah, but they told me to get off the camera and they would be the one to shoot the rest of it.

01:16:21.726 --> 01:16:26.810
Yeah, dude, and they're not experienced in video camera.

01:16:26.810 --> 01:16:28.792
That is awful.

01:16:28.792 --> 01:16:39.340
The third experience with that third lesson from that is they took the original footage because they asked for it, which was not part of the agreement of the contract.

01:16:39.340 --> 01:16:44.005
Any footage will be under my property Ownership.

01:16:44.024 --> 01:16:45.726
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so they said okay, all right.

01:16:45.726 --> 01:16:47.248
And so they said okay, all right.

01:16:47.248 --> 01:16:57.680
I found out later on they took the exact same footage, outsourced it to somebody in LA and used some of the parts that they told me not to use, but they ended up using it.

01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:04.262
The editor used it and the call grading was just terrible.

01:17:04.262 --> 01:17:10.404
And yeah, they took my footage and just, oh my gosh, yeah that sucks.

01:17:10.404 --> 01:17:12.412
That's one experience out of many.

01:17:12.704 --> 01:17:13.506
Well, it's also.

01:17:13.506 --> 01:17:21.838
You need to like the problem starting out, and I have done it too is finding actual good repeat clients.

01:17:21.838 --> 01:17:23.240
That's hard.

01:17:23.240 --> 01:17:25.713
It's so hard, yeah.

01:17:25.713 --> 01:17:27.131
And especially ones that want to pay.

01:17:27.447 --> 01:17:43.850
Oh, we're going to take a break, we're going to go get a bit of water Actually water and a fridge Go into the repeat clients, because that's I think if you have a repeat client.

01:17:43.850 --> 01:17:49.560
That is the golden type of it's a golden egg versus a one-off client it is nice.

01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:55.807
Walk us through how you've been able, or walk us through how you're working towards um getting as many as many.

01:17:55.868 --> 01:18:02.261
So the thing is, I have a handful, and when I say repeat clients.

01:18:02.261 --> 01:18:05.828
It's like they're all on different schedules.

01:18:05.828 --> 01:18:06.409
You know what I mean.

01:18:06.409 --> 01:18:08.936
So one may be repeat every two weeks, yes.

01:18:08.936 --> 01:18:11.172
One may be repeat every week, yes.

01:18:11.172 --> 01:18:16.573
One may be repeat every three months, yes, four months, five months, or they just come back.

01:18:17.005 --> 01:18:28.676
Honestly, people generally there was one guy that was awful- All the names discussed in this episode have been revised to protect their identity.

01:18:28.676 --> 01:18:29.478
Revised yes.

01:18:29.905 --> 01:18:33.448
Except the people that we said nice things about we still love you.

01:18:33.467 --> 01:18:34.251
They are real names.

01:18:34.371 --> 01:18:35.134
We still love you.

01:18:35.134 --> 01:18:42.398
It really just came down to asking and asking and asking and asking, right.

01:18:42.398 --> 01:18:55.550
So bad idea, right Bad idea, but to some people it totally works and I have burned a few bridges but I have strengthened others.

01:18:55.550 --> 01:19:00.006
So I like I'm really good at pitching, like I can pitch like that.

01:19:00.006 --> 01:19:04.516
So like I'm like hey, dude, I have this really cool idea to modernize your website.

01:19:04.516 --> 01:19:04.824
Right.

01:19:04.845 --> 01:19:07.110
What we're going to do is this thing, and this thing, and this thing.

01:19:07.110 --> 01:19:13.813
And then they're like well, we can't do all of that, but we can do that one thing, and that happens every single time.

01:19:13.813 --> 01:19:16.668
So I just over pitch way to the sky.

01:19:16.668 --> 01:19:17.894
And then they're like okay, we'll do another one.

01:19:18.305 --> 01:19:28.588
And then what I kind of do is make myself invaluable to a way, so like I am this brand's only video guy.

01:19:28.588 --> 01:19:29.951
They don't know anyone else.

01:19:29.951 --> 01:19:37.880
Also, I own the rights to all the footage that we've already used, so they're kind of locked in.

01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:46.176
So that's one way to go about it.

01:19:46.195 --> 01:19:53.462
is you kind of got to make yourself invaluable and other ways to do it is to just also try and be as likable as you can and constantly be giving free stuff and stuff like that.

01:19:53.462 --> 01:19:57.936
But what you do is you charge up the stuff.

01:19:57.936 --> 01:20:08.298
So it's basically so like when I say free stuff, right, what I do is I send like a 1080p version of a thing and I'm like, if you want it 4K, just let me know and then, boom, they have something in 4K right and I'm like if you want uh it 4k.

01:20:08.282 --> 01:20:09.023
Just let me know and then boom, they have.

01:20:09.042 --> 01:20:14.697
So they get 4k right and I'm like hey, um, if you like with add-ons, I'm really good about that.

01:20:14.697 --> 01:20:22.390
So it's like hey, if you want like a story template or something like this, I'll make it for 20 bucks, okay, and that takes me five minutes.

01:20:22.390 --> 01:20:25.596
Like like, I just do that, send that out.

01:20:25.596 --> 01:20:28.445
People like free stuff and people like cheap stuff.

01:20:28.445 --> 01:20:36.234
And then they're like this guy actually likes me and he wants to do more stuff with me, right, and then they buy bigger stuff and do cooler events and whatnot.

01:20:37.154 --> 01:20:44.921
Well, that being said, I think there's another way of going about it, which I from my other podcast episodes.

01:20:44.921 --> 01:20:57.112
There is this recurring theme that it's now shift, the talent and the personality starting to shift, whereas especially you can see this in the industries that yeah, you could be an asshole but still have a great talent.

01:20:57.112 --> 01:21:05.171
But the fact is that it's starting to go down and people are now putting more priority in how much they like working with the other person, exactly my gosh yeah.

01:21:05.171 --> 01:21:06.372
Yeah so.

01:21:07.873 --> 01:21:11.958
I think that's they may have Like it's a bad thing.

01:21:11.958 --> 01:21:23.564
When it comes to art, right, okay, if you have like a good performance and stuff like that, but when we're talking about how much art that you can make, if you're like it's cutting out what you don't like, yes.

01:21:23.564 --> 01:21:31.798
You can find somebody that you like who is equally talented or something like that.

01:21:31.798 --> 01:21:32.425
You know what I mean.

01:21:32.485 --> 01:21:49.320
Like, and it doesn't take that much more work, especially in the age of social media where you can find people really easily right um, but you know, some people you're locked into or something like that, and I think back on the day, but now it's not that hard hmm, have you?

01:21:49.561 --> 01:21:52.408
have you gotten yourself on like a film production set before?

01:21:54.070 --> 01:22:03.131
um once, but not like I wasn't really doing anything, I was just there oh yeah, try to get yourself on a site.

01:22:03.212 --> 01:22:04.534
It's a whole different world.

01:22:04.534 --> 01:22:04.855
How do?

01:22:04.895 --> 01:22:05.077
you.

01:22:05.077 --> 01:22:06.005
How do you do it?

01:22:06.005 --> 01:22:07.989
Because you have, you're part of this production company.

01:22:07.989 --> 01:22:14.167
You guys get hired out, right do do like these studios that want their stuff on commercials and stuff like that.

01:22:14.167 --> 01:22:15.472
Well, what does the?

01:22:15.493 --> 01:22:18.765
company that I'm working for one shot creations love you guys.

01:22:18.765 --> 01:22:27.815
One shot creation um, they're a video production company and they're more focused on the um commercial and real estate kind of stuff.

01:22:27.815 --> 01:22:32.609
So we're not really like a film centric studio like you would see in hollywood.

01:22:32.609 --> 01:22:40.521
Um, that's where they're at yeah and with the experience of being on set that comes from uh, having connections with people in the industry.

01:22:40.603 --> 01:22:48.418
So I have a couple friends of mine, uh, where they've taken me on a film set and there are some where I just somehow found my way to it.

01:22:48.418 --> 01:22:52.728
Yeah, I'm glad I'm not working in that environment anymore.

01:22:52.728 --> 01:22:55.154
Yeah, really, it's 14 hours plus.

01:22:55.154 --> 01:22:59.033
It's like, uh, you have and you have to drive back and then go back to the same set.

01:22:59.033 --> 01:23:02.506
So it's that kind of environment where I once thought was glamorous.

01:23:02.506 --> 01:23:04.409
You know, you get to be close to.

01:23:04.409 --> 01:23:15.296
I met the um doc brown from back to the future, christopher lloyd dude yes, and that guy from the best friend of zach efron and high school musical corbin blue.

01:23:15.556 --> 01:23:17.988
Yeah, yeah, I saw how everybody's working.

01:23:17.988 --> 01:23:27.158
It's just like this glamorous side of hollywood that I once fell in love with just became this kind of like a uh, was it a lifestyle that I wanted to live and?

01:23:27.158 --> 01:23:36.587
I just ultimately didn't want to yeah, yeah because I don't think I'm gonna be in that environment as much yeah but there is an environment where it's like a music video.

01:23:36.667 --> 01:23:51.689
It's a smaller scale yeah that's kind of environment I want to be in and around with people that I enjoy working exactly well, this is what I'm talking about, like dude, a freaking second hollywood, where you're not working 14 hours a day because you're just doing it with your buds yeah it's.

01:23:51.689 --> 01:23:55.457
I've had this idea to put together basically a monty python.

01:23:55.457 --> 01:23:57.547
Oh okay, a monty python.

01:23:57.547 --> 01:23:58.993
You know how monty python like?

01:23:59.135 --> 01:23:59.617
functioned right.

01:23:59.636 --> 01:24:03.529
It was like do you never watch that sorry, okay, but like monty python.

01:24:04.070 --> 01:24:05.753
I'm not sure about this fact.

01:24:05.753 --> 01:24:08.238
This is completely an Abe fact.

01:24:08.238 --> 01:24:18.279
Okay, basically, how Monty Python functioned is it was a group of guys who would get together and make a movie.

01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:31.904
Okay, like, I have a good idea, let's freaking do that and let's pay ourselves to do this, right, and they just made, got together and made it, and apparently none of those guys actually liked each other or something like that they did not.

01:24:31.904 --> 01:24:33.872
They did not like each other or something like that.

01:24:34.164 --> 01:24:43.914
But if we were to make a serious group of guys right who just wanted to make, and it doesn't matter if it takes.

01:24:43.914 --> 01:24:53.470
That's why I love like the idea of obviously I've never really been on a set or something like that, well, you will be, I will be, I'm trying, um.

01:24:53.470 --> 01:25:09.140
But you know, I like the idea of, like, with the wrath trilogy, I'm gonna take that, that's gonna take a long time and I'm weirdly fine with that yeah you know, it's like push it out or like make it slowly.

01:25:09.220 --> 01:25:18.327
So number one, production quality goes up because you are actually like you know, you're acquiring more money over the course of this time.

01:25:18.327 --> 01:25:23.345
So you're able to put more money yeah right and again, this is all theoretical, so I have no idea.

01:25:23.345 --> 01:25:30.960
Um, and, and you know, you get to like actually just enjoy the experience with the buzz instead of it just rushing through this reminds me of.

01:25:31.445 --> 01:25:40.000
This reminds me of a quarter corridor digital Freddie Wong, because, you know, are you familiar with video game high school series?

01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:40.965
Yeah, yeah, I've heard of it.

01:25:41.145 --> 01:25:41.987
I'm watching though.

01:25:42.528 --> 01:25:46.717
He started off a simple concept which balloon into a full-on production.

01:25:46.717 --> 01:25:52.015
That looks like a real TV show and they were working with their best buddies, yeah.

01:25:52.284 --> 01:25:53.608
That's totally what I want to do.

01:25:53.608 --> 01:25:55.452
Oh man, Doesn't that sound appealing?

01:25:55.452 --> 01:25:56.715
Huh, that sounds appealing.

01:25:56.715 --> 01:25:57.536
Right it is.

01:25:57.536 --> 01:25:58.497
It sounds like something to do.

01:25:59.166 --> 01:26:13.591
It's just the hard part about that is making sure that the work doesn't affect the friendship, because sometimes work will actually Affect the friendship, Burn it.

01:26:13.610 --> 01:26:31.545
Oh yeah, Well, if you're making something that's cool enough and you're taking your time with it and it's like if I'm putting my money, I am more focused on having, well, I think you can craft stronger friendships by crafting strong art.

01:26:31.545 --> 01:26:40.146
And if you trust each other In other trauma bond because film is trauma bonding, yes, trauma bonding, no, yeah, actually yeah, there's trauma bonding.

01:26:40.167 --> 01:26:48.654
Going back to the uh monthly retainer, uh, clients, how do you walk us through how you convince yourself that what you're worth is actually what you're worth?

01:26:48.926 --> 01:26:49.909
I have a tough time with that.

01:26:49.909 --> 01:26:52.190
Actually, everyone has a tough time with that.

01:26:52.190 --> 01:26:58.734
Honestly, a lot of the time I'm like I'm not being paid enough or something like that.

01:26:58.734 --> 01:27:02.287
That happens a lot, but it's really.

01:27:02.287 --> 01:27:15.895
I struggle with it, but I put myself out there and it's like I don't know if I really understand my worth yet as an artist.

01:27:15.895 --> 01:27:16.438
How come?

01:27:16.438 --> 01:27:18.693
I price myself too low sometimes.

01:27:18.693 --> 01:27:21.331
Well it depends.

01:27:21.331 --> 01:27:22.234
It really depends.

01:27:22.234 --> 01:27:23.449
It's just project by project.

01:27:23.625 --> 01:27:24.488
I'm like if I like this.

01:27:24.628 --> 01:27:29.246
I'm like, yeah, but I feel like a lot of the time I don't end up getting.

01:27:29.246 --> 01:27:34.154
I don't put my standards as high as they should be.

01:27:34.154 --> 01:27:37.539
You know what I mean but that's just me.

01:27:37.744 --> 01:27:46.055
There's a lot of factors that go into that, but I can understand where you're coming from, because, one, you have all these other people that could be doing way better than you.

01:27:46.055 --> 01:27:49.792
And two, it's hard to price yourself right in this market, oh my god.

01:27:49.872 --> 01:28:04.510
And three, it's hard to find people that want to do yes and it's like like I've tried pricing myself higher and it's like the people that I'm pitching to I'm not having a lot of people come to me as much.

01:28:04.510 --> 01:28:07.795
It's mainly I'm cold emailing, I'm cold calling.

01:28:07.795 --> 01:28:23.135
I probably need to like fix that, I don't know how, but it's like I'm kind of like my ball is in their court yeah, I mean they have to decide all these things so they're gonna go.

01:28:23.154 --> 01:28:24.786
You gotta turn that out the other way around.

01:28:24.845 --> 01:28:28.453
I know and I'm trying to think on how I can do that.

01:28:28.453 --> 01:28:31.389
So when it comes to you, so you work through one shot.

01:28:31.389 --> 01:28:35.400
Um, before did you work like you.

01:28:35.400 --> 01:28:36.604
You did freelance for a while.

01:28:36.604 --> 01:28:39.850
Yes, so did you have.

01:28:39.850 --> 01:28:46.048
Was it mainly you messaging people and calling people and stuff like that, or did you you had people just mainly coming to you?

01:28:46.048 --> 01:28:54.685
I never did any of that seriously elaborate on that, because I'm like I don't even think I have my google business listing up.

01:28:54.685 --> 01:28:56.328
That's probably the main problem.

01:28:56.470 --> 01:29:07.052
Yeah, but go ahead tell me, so it's the same way how you are now extremely passionate and I was grateful enough to um friends of mine.

01:29:07.052 --> 01:29:12.921
One that got me my start was just so happened to be a best friend of mine.

01:29:12.921 --> 01:29:17.777
She wanted to be a singer and she wanted to do music videos.

01:29:17.777 --> 01:29:23.217
At that time I knew I just wanted to make music videos.

01:29:23.217 --> 01:29:26.274
I did not think of anything related to business.

01:29:26.274 --> 01:29:28.408
All I could think of was let's just do it, I'm making.

01:29:28.630 --> 01:29:29.411
All right, I said you, I'm making.

01:29:29.411 --> 01:29:30.193
All right, you're making Huh.

01:29:30.854 --> 01:29:36.073
I said you're just making, yes, yeah yeah, and that was one of my first earliest projects.

01:29:36.073 --> 01:29:43.019
It was Sway Okay, no budget, no budget, nothing like that.

01:29:43.019 --> 01:29:51.158
But we were somehow able to make it turn like a somewhat of a like a Los Angeles kind of a music video in terms of quality.

01:29:51.158 --> 01:29:56.024
I had nothing, no budget, just a black magic, ursa and yeah.

01:29:56.024 --> 01:29:58.716
And it was through.

01:29:58.716 --> 01:30:07.730
I guess I would say that it's you're right, Working with the right people that you love working with, and then putting our all into this project.

01:30:08.286 --> 01:30:12.814
That's how the word it got spread the work that we did.

01:30:12.814 --> 01:30:24.867
When I went across the community here and people that wanted to get the same services that I wanted to do, they called me up yeah and so now, as far as um cold calling, I never did any of that.

01:30:24.867 --> 01:30:25.688
I never believe in that.

01:30:25.747 --> 01:30:40.698
I never did emailing, because I could never just bring myself to do that yeah I just, oh man, I I guess well before before that music video, it was with um nice for high school I shot a powerade music, uh, powerade commercial really.

01:30:40.698 --> 01:30:46.636
I won them ten thousand dollars for that school and it was a nationwide uh video contest.

01:30:46.636 --> 01:30:49.150
At the time I was like, yeah, let's do it for fun uh but I made it to.

01:30:49.211 --> 01:30:51.317
I tried to make it look like it was a nationwide video contest.

01:30:51.317 --> 01:30:52.780
At the time I was like, yeah, let's do it for fun.

01:30:52.780 --> 01:30:53.301
But I made it to.

01:30:53.301 --> 01:30:54.185
I tried to make it look like it was.

01:30:54.185 --> 01:30:59.221
It looked like it was from a Powerade commercial.

01:30:59.221 --> 01:31:01.354
After that one it was just because of how well you make a video look good.

01:31:01.354 --> 01:31:03.650
That led to other people, agencies that want to.

01:31:03.650 --> 01:31:08.411
That saw my work and they wanted to work, have me on their projects.

01:31:08.411 --> 01:31:10.707
But call calling again.

01:31:10.707 --> 01:31:13.556
That saw you, that saw my work and they wanted to work, have me on their projects, yeah, but calling again.

01:31:13.577 --> 01:31:14.319
So you never did any of that.

01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:21.938
So here's the thing like I have done exactly what you did, yeah, and I do occasionally, okay, have people come in and they're like, yeah, totally, totally do this.

01:31:21.938 --> 01:31:25.113
Like I have a photography studio, that really they like what I do.

01:31:25.313 --> 01:31:43.453
Yeah, and I'm, you know, I was friends with their daughter and they're like, yeah, dude right let's, let's um, let's work together right, so they send me out on a few jobs and stuff like that with people who need it, right, and I really enjoy that and it's great in the pace, good so um, but the problem that I'm finding is that I don't.

01:31:43.453 --> 01:31:48.851
I feel like I do it a lot right, yes, but I don't get as much as I'd be thinking.

01:31:48.851 --> 01:31:50.993
You know what I'm talking about yes.

01:31:51.286 --> 01:31:53.113
But I do get interest.

01:31:53.113 --> 01:31:58.822
So I did the Rocky Bayou Christian School.

01:31:58.822 --> 01:31:59.645
You know what I'm talking about.

01:31:59.645 --> 01:32:03.395
So they we're probably just leaking our IP addresses.

01:32:03.395 --> 01:32:20.909
So we I did two videos for their high school basketball team because my brother was on the JV and my other brother was on varsity and they did so, and one of those videos is one of my favorite videos I've ever done, I don't know if you've watched it.

01:32:21.929 --> 01:32:29.492
I don't need to show you it because it's really cool and I did it to like 70s disco music and it's like really really flashy, flashy.

01:32:29.492 --> 01:32:33.911
I was at a raiders game, okay, and I was just walking around.

01:32:33.911 --> 01:32:37.377
I had three people pull me over and they were like I did.

01:32:37.377 --> 01:32:49.525
I did this split screen thing where I had like three of the guys on the team all like line up a shot yeah, like all the same framing and they oh wait, that's a three frame, and uh, I saw that one and they were throwing the hoops.

01:32:49.546 --> 01:32:55.734
Yeah, I remember seeing that one I had three people pull me aside and they were like dude, like this was not even at the school and they were like dude.

01:32:55.734 --> 01:33:01.738
I loved when you split it into three and they walked off and I'm like how do you know who are you?

01:33:02.019 --> 01:33:18.654
yeah, it's like, I feel like I'm getting the connection in the community yes but I'm not getting as much interest as I'd like well, part of that could be the pricing, where um lower pricing tends to have this um thing where people think it's not a good service.

01:33:18.654 --> 01:33:26.314
Yeah, but you have a middle I'm you know you're making me thinking about how it started it.

01:33:26.314 --> 01:33:32.029
It's just I think I just got really lucky After 2019 or 2020, especially COVID.

01:33:32.029 --> 01:33:32.891
It just died off.

01:33:33.051 --> 01:33:34.333
Yeah, the momentum just.

01:33:35.115 --> 01:33:39.011
The momentum yeah but man, I took all that for granted.

01:33:41.286 --> 01:33:42.305
No, you didn't take it for granted, dude.

01:33:42.305 --> 01:33:47.391
You took what you were given right you were given, and then you worked and you kept going with it.

01:33:47.391 --> 01:33:48.135
And look where you are now.

01:33:48.135 --> 01:33:57.712
And given right you were given, and then you worked and you kept going with it and look where you're not and you're still going.

01:33:57.733 --> 01:33:59.698
No, I quit multiple times, everyone quits multiple times, but you're still.

01:33:59.698 --> 01:34:00.439
You're back and you're going.

01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:01.643
That's hard, it's hard, it's hard.

01:34:01.643 --> 01:34:02.985
I think it also depends on the location.

01:34:02.985 --> 01:34:19.219
This again, this area, is just really really, really, really hard, because this area, if you think about it, a lot of it is real estate commercials, but there is literally no market for narrative or creative projects.

01:34:19.219 --> 01:34:23.103
It's one of those areas where you have to make that opportunity for yourself.

01:34:23.103 --> 01:34:23.585
Yeah, exactly.

01:34:24.228 --> 01:34:25.862
Well, that's where a lot of the lightsaber stuff came in.

01:34:25.862 --> 01:34:30.951
Okay, dude, I freaking DM'd like 40 companies on Instagram, which was dumb.

01:34:30.951 --> 01:34:34.653
I should have looked for their emails, but I DM like 40.

01:34:34.653 --> 01:34:38.454
I heard back from four, right?

01:34:38.454 --> 01:34:42.474
Um, I did some Photoshop work for one and never heard from them again.

01:34:42.474 --> 01:34:44.850
And then Corbett they just liked me.

01:34:45.305 --> 01:34:47.632
So, I guess I just kept working for them.

01:34:47.632 --> 01:34:50.284
That I again.

01:34:50.284 --> 01:34:50.988
It's the pitching up kind of thing.

01:34:50.988 --> 01:35:02.853
It was originally just like hey, I want to do some photoshop work for you, and then it was like film every one of our lightsabers and I was like the carbanth I forgot carbanth sorry guys for butchering your name.

01:35:03.274 --> 01:35:05.881
I mean with him, with them you've had.

01:35:05.881 --> 01:35:09.305
You've had that's your long time, one of your long time clients, correct?

01:35:09.305 --> 01:35:13.153
Yeah, and oh yeah, going back to that trip, by the way.

01:35:13.153 --> 01:35:16.305
Yeah, that was visually stunning, did you see?

01:35:16.305 --> 01:35:18.573
It you saw rd r2d2.

01:35:18.573 --> 01:35:18.913
I forgot.

01:35:18.913 --> 01:35:21.561
I said r2, I'm just gonna call r2 comes into the view.

01:35:21.561 --> 01:35:22.585
It's a desert.

01:35:22.585 --> 01:35:23.967
Yeah, it's a black.

01:35:23.967 --> 01:35:26.311
Uh, it's a sith or a jedi, I can't tell.

01:35:26.311 --> 01:35:28.515
Um, it's luke technically.

01:35:28.515 --> 01:35:29.779
Oh, yeah, luke technically.

01:35:29.779 --> 01:35:30.788
I remember that frame.

01:35:31.010 --> 01:35:36.109
R2 just comes in and it's all beautiful, did you like how I like I pulled out and then I just whipped back at the camera.

01:35:36.109 --> 01:35:37.311
Yes, that was sick.

01:35:37.311 --> 01:35:41.329
So what we actually did is we had randy, who's the owner of the company.

01:35:41.329 --> 01:35:48.228
He was down like on his back and his hand was up yeah against r2's head.

01:35:48.228 --> 01:35:52.970
I was like, okay, when I pull back, I pull back, I'm going to give you a three, two one and you're going to whip R2's head back.

01:35:54.146 --> 01:35:59.551
And we did it and then it looked so solid I actually found the framing by accident.

01:35:59.551 --> 01:36:00.373
I didn't even think about it.

01:36:00.373 --> 01:36:05.528
I wasn't like in a desert, bro, what the heck Dude, I was out there.

01:36:05.528 --> 01:36:07.350
It took us four hours to drive out there.

01:36:07.350 --> 01:36:09.414
I flew out there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:09.414 --> 01:36:12.619
So we went what the yeah, dude?

01:36:12.619 --> 01:36:20.681
We went, I landed in Dallas-Fort Worth, okay, and then we flew from Dallas-Fort Worth to Phoenix, arizona.

01:36:20.681 --> 01:36:21.045
Okay.

01:36:21.405 --> 01:36:25.614
We stayed there for a night and then we drove four hours out to Yuma, Arizona.

01:36:25.614 --> 01:36:39.987
So we drove out there, right, and we crossed over the border into California, right Only like five miles out or something like that, and you know you have the Arizona skyline.

01:36:39.987 --> 01:36:41.171
I don't know if you've ever been to Arizona.

01:36:41.225 --> 01:36:46.831
But there's a desert there, Because when I saw that I thought you went to Tunisia, or I know it was crazy.

01:36:46.871 --> 01:36:59.737
So you're looking out, right, and it's like you're driving through Arizona and you're looking around it's like mountains and cactuses and stuff like that and then you get to this wall of sand in the middle of nowhere.

01:36:59.737 --> 01:37:00.177
Yeah.

01:37:00.177 --> 01:37:12.311
And you drive into it and it looks like it goes out for forever and the weird thing is it messes with your horizon, kind of thing, because you look out and it looks like a painting, like a genuine matte painting or something like that.

01:37:12.311 --> 01:37:13.775
And we were out there.

01:37:13.805 --> 01:37:19.875
I think we shot only for like two hours or something like that, and then we filmed everything that we needed.

01:37:19.875 --> 01:37:29.381
So I found out that that spot is where they filmed Return of the Jedi, it's where they filmed Raiders of the Lost Ark, it's where they filmed Casablanca dude.

01:37:29.381 --> 01:37:29.965
What the fuck.

01:37:29.965 --> 01:37:32.113
It was like you felt the history.

01:37:32.113 --> 01:37:39.777
We actually ran into a guy who was dune bugging there and he had been there when he was a kid, when they were shooting Return of the Jedi.

01:37:39.777 --> 01:37:41.993
We interviewed him and everything and it was really cool.

01:37:42.444 --> 01:37:44.890
Wait, was this the scene where Luke was on that?

01:37:45.090 --> 01:37:51.850
I don't know if it was an animal, but there was a oh, it's not the fighting, the rancor scene you're talking about, like the Sarlacc pit?

01:37:51.909 --> 01:37:57.851
no, not that one he was fighting, oh wait, no, I think you might be right fighting against fighting Boba Fett?

01:37:57.872 --> 01:38:00.572
yeah, or Boba Fett and Jabba the Hutt?

01:38:00.572 --> 01:38:02.055
Yes, we were there.

01:38:02.055 --> 01:38:05.211
What the heck it was sick dude it was.

01:38:05.211 --> 01:38:05.912
We were in the actual.

01:38:05.912 --> 01:38:11.887
So the the plan, if it, if it works, is yeah, because the commercial actually is really cool.

01:38:11.887 --> 01:38:20.510
It's gonna go out on the 29th, something like that yeah um, officially, it's going on somebody's youtube channel.

01:38:20.510 --> 01:38:23.355
I forgot who it is, but um he?

01:38:23.355 --> 01:38:34.472
The plan, possibly, possibly, is to go to these other star wars shooting locations over the redwood forest that's the one.

01:38:34.493 --> 01:38:36.520
I think that's the tattooing yeah.

01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:43.396
Yeah, so they have a few different shooting locations, but we were, that's the plan, fingers crossed wow, we can do it.

01:38:43.457 --> 01:38:44.565
That's a hell of a campaign.

01:38:44.565 --> 01:38:46.309
That's a hell of a campaign.

01:38:46.689 --> 01:38:51.217
Well, I'm really good at convincing, oh, okay.

01:38:51.217 --> 01:38:52.319
Okay, it's really.

01:38:52.319 --> 01:38:53.768
So Randy had the idea.

01:38:53.768 --> 01:38:54.930
Yes, he owns the company.

01:38:55.854 --> 01:38:59.404
Hi Randy, Hi Randy, Good products, from the looks of it by the way Very solid.

01:38:59.465 --> 01:39:04.074
I actually have like I may be shooting this week with like five different sabers.

01:39:10.244 --> 01:39:10.768
So you should totally come.

01:39:10.787 --> 01:39:11.088
Oh light sabers.

01:39:11.088 --> 01:39:11.310
Okay, go on.

01:39:11.310 --> 01:39:12.676
They're also really fun to film because they're really fun to film.

01:39:12.676 --> 01:39:22.420
Yeah, because you know you have to use a big stick of light oh, I can, imagine, yeah, light frames really easy but uh, we'll see okay I'm happy to hear that.

01:39:23.287 --> 01:39:30.989
I think this one of those clients will definitely influence your um sci-fi film, um, because the way you film it hey you can.

01:39:30.989 --> 01:39:34.779
I can definitely tell that there's a lot of influence from your.

01:39:34.779 --> 01:39:40.694
You know, getting into this career, keep at it you're doing great yeah don't lose your passion.

01:39:40.694 --> 01:39:42.177
Fingers crossed, bro.

01:39:42.177 --> 01:39:48.590
Fingers crossed all right guys this is actually the part where we dive into the uh surprise surprise baby.

01:39:48.770 --> 01:39:49.586
It's not really surprised.

01:39:49.586 --> 01:39:53.895
We've talked about it five times trilogy ariath baby.

01:39:54.077 --> 01:40:06.609
So we're gonna start talking how riot, how riot, how riot, how riot is a trilogy that he is, that abe is currently producing and I gotta say, go check out his youtube channel.

01:40:06.609 --> 01:40:12.578
He has a video where he dives into the screenplay and the renders of the ships.

01:40:12.578 --> 01:40:13.479
It's pretty sweet.

01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:16.369
The characters it's pretty sweet, beautifully well done.

01:40:16.369 --> 01:40:23.750
It reminds me a lot of Blade Runner and, oh my gosh, dune, especially Dune.

01:40:23.750 --> 01:40:28.265
It reminded me of Rebel Moon by Zack Snyder.

01:40:28.265 --> 01:40:29.389
Zack Snyder, yeah, the Creator, the Creator was lit.

01:40:29.389 --> 01:40:34.448
Uh, it reminded me of rebel moon by um zach snyder, um, the creator, um, and the dual star wars visions episode.

01:40:34.448 --> 01:40:35.672
I don't know if you've seen that.

01:40:35.712 --> 01:40:41.070
It's a black and white um, yeah, it's like the anime stuff, right what they have the like animated sequences and stuff.

01:40:41.372 --> 01:40:46.372
Yes, yes, it's just but most of most of all, it's the rebel moon series or the movie.

01:40:46.372 --> 01:40:48.561
So high wrath dude, yeah, where are it's the Rebel Moon series or the movie?

01:40:48.561 --> 01:40:51.212
So Hi-Rath dude, yeah, where's the inspiration coming from?

01:40:51.212 --> 01:40:53.832
We've actually believe it or not?

01:40:53.832 --> 01:40:54.237
Just go for it.

01:40:54.237 --> 01:40:55.324
Just fucking go for it.

01:40:55.364 --> 01:40:56.631
So we've touched on it a little bit.

01:40:56.631 --> 01:41:09.627
Yes, a little bit, so the way that I kind of explain it like really fast for people that are like on the go yeah, is like it's pirates of the caribbean.

01:41:09.627 --> 01:41:15.485
Yes, she's such a vibe because you have, like, my favorite part of the like like pirates of the caribbean is the kind of like conflicting, um, like everybody's portraying each other.

01:41:15.626 --> 01:41:31.712
yes, all the time and like alliances are turning, like yeah and that and that and it's like it's that and then it's almost so a lot of the inspiration had come from what we were talking about the Star Wars legends and stuff like that.

01:41:31.712 --> 01:41:36.355
There was this book series that was about Han Solo's former life.

01:41:36.355 --> 01:41:41.434
Okay, that is really interesting and I love the idea of it.

01:41:41.434 --> 01:41:46.154
It touched on like okay, so the Solo movie?

01:41:46.154 --> 01:41:48.057
Right, I'm kind of rambling a little bit, you're good.

01:41:48.425 --> 01:41:50.067
Han Solo, the younger version of yeah Okay, you know the movie, the Solo movie, right?

01:41:50.067 --> 01:41:50.417
I'm kind of rambling a little bit, you're good.

01:41:50.417 --> 01:41:52.980
Han Solo, the younger version of yeah Okay, you know the movie that came out right.

01:41:53.001 --> 01:42:00.018
Yes, so the problem with that is it kind of felt like the movie about how Han Solo got all of his stuff.

01:42:00.018 --> 01:42:07.578
Yes, and what I loved about the Han Solo books that were produced in like the 90s or something like that.

01:42:09.664 --> 01:42:13.158
Wait, was this along during the time at the same time with star wars, or was this after?

01:42:13.338 --> 01:42:20.917
after after the after four, five and six right, oh, okay, one two three, and it's really interesting so okay it.

01:42:21.597 --> 01:42:28.516
It was written by ac crispin and it was about how han solo adopted his philosophies and stuff like that.

01:42:28.516 --> 01:42:38.739
So, like at the beginning I think he says um, um, a hokey religion is no, is no, um uh match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

01:42:38.739 --> 01:42:50.323
And you see like oh, it's because han solo um was into this girl who was in this cult and they were like brainwashing all these people and it was like crazy and it was in this cult and they were like brainwashing all these people and it was like crazy.

01:42:51.006 --> 01:42:52.011
And it was like it's.

01:42:52.011 --> 01:42:55.189
It's really interesting stuff and I love um, and then you have the pirates of the Caribbean.

01:42:55.189 --> 01:42:56.354
Influences Um.

01:42:56.354 --> 01:43:01.537
A lot of it also stems from the mummy and the fifth element.

01:43:01.537 --> 01:43:03.131
I love the fifth element.

01:43:03.131 --> 01:43:03.612
Okay.

01:43:03.792 --> 01:43:08.547
Um, it's kind of like my own fifth element, but it's for people.

01:43:08.547 --> 01:43:13.492
I'm kind of rambling a little bit, so I'll give like a basically plot arc.

01:43:13.492 --> 01:43:17.395
It's about this pirate smuggler named Solomon Toombs.

01:43:17.395 --> 01:43:20.978
Who's this seven foot tall clairvoyant right?

01:43:20.978 --> 01:43:21.738
Okay, it's crazy.

01:43:21.738 --> 01:43:24.460
And his artificial intelligence unit.

01:43:24.460 --> 01:43:27.682
Who's the first artificial intelligence unit to develop a soul?

01:43:27.682 --> 01:43:30.971
Okay, intelligence unit, who's the first artificial intelligence unit to develop a soul?

01:43:30.971 --> 01:43:32.034
Okay, and so he's in this band of pirates.

01:43:32.034 --> 01:43:42.890
All of these guys want to have their own artificial intelligence unit, okay, so it's kind of like having an air bud okay, it's like oh, like you have a dog that plays basketball, I want a dog that plays basketball.

01:43:43.431 --> 01:43:57.056
So solomon is completely against, like all of these pirates having their own version of Bo, because it's like splitting up a soul into a bunch of different like slices and it's like if I make a copy of Bo, then where does the soul go to?

01:43:57.056 --> 01:44:01.975
And because he's kind of a clairvoyant, he knows like okay, bo has a soul.

01:44:01.975 --> 01:44:02.537
Yes.

01:44:02.537 --> 01:44:05.793
So you have all of these pirates.

01:44:05.793 --> 01:44:07.029
I don't want to spoil it.

01:44:08.065 --> 01:44:13.394
Don't need to spoil it, Just give us some Basically all of those guys want their own bow.

01:44:13.904 --> 01:44:15.070
Solomon doesn't want it.

01:44:15.070 --> 01:44:17.271
There's a big climax.

01:44:17.271 --> 01:44:28.956
There's some supernatural elements about some freaking space pirate, zombies and it's fire and I love the thing and it is way too high budget for me to produce, but I'm going to try that.

01:44:29.826 --> 01:44:33.475
Well, I actually would like to dive into the screenplay process.

01:44:33.475 --> 01:44:34.216
How is that like?

01:44:34.216 --> 01:44:42.354
Because one of the hardest parts in screenplay is staring at the goddamn white piece of paper with a blinking.

01:44:44.536 --> 01:44:45.157
At a blank page.

01:44:45.157 --> 01:45:13.510
That's great, so I wrote an entire screenplay of the idea of what I was doing at the beginning and at the time I was watching a lot of space westerns, right, I was watching Shane, django, django and Shane, a lot of spaghetti westerns, stuff like that, and you, jane, a lot of spaghetti westerns, stuff like that, and you know a lot of American westerns, and you cleaned Eastwood too.

01:45:14.886 --> 01:45:16.152
I didn't watch as much Eastwood.

01:45:16.152 --> 01:45:23.734
I mainly watched straight spaghetti westerns, stuff like that, which I like over in Italy, and they were nice.

01:45:23.734 --> 01:45:33.555
But I was watching a lot of these westerns and I was writing it right and I was realizing, dang, I accidentally turned this into a space Western.

01:45:33.555 --> 01:45:40.618
So I took the plot structure that I originally envisioned and reformatted it.

01:45:40.618 --> 01:45:44.729
Like I think I'm on my I want to say seventh draft of it.

01:45:44.729 --> 01:45:47.514
I want to say seventh draft of it.

01:45:47.514 --> 01:45:56.393
Um, and I had written, uh Like three more screenplays before this.

01:45:56.393 --> 01:46:01.193
So I've written a bunch and I hadn't done anything with the other ones.

01:46:01.193 --> 01:46:04.664
Because when I reread it I was like this is crap, you know what I mean.

01:46:04.845 --> 01:46:06.130
And I try and rewrite it.

01:46:06.130 --> 01:46:08.704
I'm like this is still crap and so I abandoned the project.

01:46:08.704 --> 01:46:18.470
But this, I read it once I was done with it and the first draft, I was like, okay, there's some tuning up that I have to do, but this is good.

01:46:18.470 --> 01:46:28.438
And so I sent it out to about 25 test readers or something like that, and some of them were my friends.

01:46:28.438 --> 01:46:33.122
Some of them were other people in the creative sphere that I knew were going to actually tell me if I did something crap.

01:46:33.122 --> 01:46:33.765
Okay.

01:46:35.449 --> 01:46:42.769
Everyone like actually really enjoyed it, like it's a fun ride from start to finish.

01:46:42.769 --> 01:46:57.818
It's crazy they're, it's brutal, but it's got this heart to it that I, I love and solomon and both their characters are so distinct and so like it works so well.

01:46:57.818 --> 01:46:58.418
Yeah.

01:46:58.418 --> 01:47:02.072
Incredibly proud of it and I need to get it to a screen.

01:47:02.072 --> 01:47:03.034
I need to.

01:47:03.984 --> 01:47:06.332
Well, what was the difficult part about the screen playing?

01:47:06.934 --> 01:47:07.395
process.

01:47:07.867 --> 01:47:15.842
Yeah, making the screen play, I can imagine I can almost imagine you in your room and you have all these ideas, but it's so hard to connect one and the other.

01:47:15.842 --> 01:47:16.585
Yeah, oh my gosh.

01:47:16.585 --> 01:47:22.572
And I mean, you have this act structure, you have act one, act two, act three, you have the resolution climax and all of that.

01:47:22.572 --> 01:47:25.989
Yeah, what was the hardest part in that process for you?

01:47:26.331 --> 01:47:31.206
so I wrote that first draft right, entire movie right and that whole thing.

01:47:31.206 --> 01:47:33.909
I like the first act.

01:47:33.909 --> 01:47:36.875
I'm really like I enjoyed writing it.

01:47:36.875 --> 01:47:40.340
I was like this first act is sweet, this is great.

01:47:40.340 --> 01:47:42.451
And then the rest of it.

01:47:42.451 --> 01:47:43.574
I went on a tangent.

01:47:43.574 --> 01:47:47.931
I didn't realize that I went on a tangent in a completely different way even though I'd structured it in a completely different way.

01:47:48.153 --> 01:47:54.329
I went somewhere else and that second and third act I was like this sucks and I can't get out of it.

01:47:54.329 --> 01:48:00.354
And then I was like, okay, I really like that first act.

01:48:00.354 --> 01:48:03.181
Where did I go wrong?

01:48:03.261 --> 01:48:22.260
because that time, where I was writing the second and third act, I was also in a really bad mental state in my life oh, I'm sorry, oh yeah it wasn't that bad, but it was like I was in a bad mental state just and that second and third act suffered because of it and I thought, what did I love so much about the first act?

01:48:22.260 --> 01:48:27.225
And I was like I love Solomon and Bo's relationship.

01:48:27.225 --> 01:48:32.774
It is so tangible and it's almost like Wreck-It Ralph.

01:48:32.774 --> 01:48:33.993
It's like Wreck-It Ralph and Vanilla.

01:48:33.993 --> 01:48:34.557
Yes.

01:48:34.557 --> 01:48:35.404
It's like that.

01:48:36.064 --> 01:48:38.835
And it totally works so well.

01:48:38.835 --> 01:48:57.546
And I may sound really cocky saying that, but it works and I loved it okay and I was like so I was like, okay, what I gotta do is I gotta reformat it, and then I split everything into into, into thirds okay okay, I'm gonna have of the first act.

01:48:57.827 --> 01:49:04.966
I'm gonna have a first, second and third act inside that first act oh, wow easier for me okay, and you know you're following the hero's journey and stuff like that.

01:49:04.966 --> 01:49:16.247
But then you know you, when you first write, and you write your first, second, third screenplay, you're like, okay, this page right here is where I'm gonna hit, um, the dark night of the soul.

01:49:16.247 --> 01:49:24.953
You're like, if you can, if you have to think about that, then it becomes apparent and it doesn't become a movie anymore and you're following a guideline.

01:49:24.953 --> 01:49:35.588
And if it just the thing is, I wrote horiath and then it's like I looked into it, I'm like, oh, there's the hero's journey okay, it's already baked into it.

01:49:36.170 --> 01:49:41.939
I just need to spruce up the parts that actually need to be more clearly defined as part of the story.

01:49:41.939 --> 01:49:46.711
You're so passionate about this shit.

01:49:46.711 --> 01:49:53.716
This is great I am and I found it, and I have part two and three structured out.

01:49:53.716 --> 01:49:55.270
I'm also writing that at the same time.

01:49:55.993 --> 01:50:02.548
Whoa, why did I conflict with Like when?

01:50:02.548 --> 01:50:03.511
You're writing them out at the same time.

01:50:03.511 --> 01:50:04.372
Isn't it a higher chance of?

01:50:04.393 --> 01:50:11.233
well, I I finished part one, I'll rephrase and I'm into part two oh okay, like everything's been structured right.

01:50:11.233 --> 01:50:16.654
I see, but I'm only focused on perfecting part one, which is what every you know, every filmmaker says.

01:50:16.654 --> 01:50:19.551
You know, I'm working on part one and I don't know about that.

01:50:20.029 --> 01:50:20.774
I don't know about that.

01:50:20.774 --> 01:50:21.904
Honestly, I want to do it.

01:50:22.305 --> 01:50:23.350
Obviously, everybody wants to do it.

01:50:23.350 --> 01:50:33.492
And Loki, the plot in Part 2 is so crazy, it's so good, it's so dense, oh my gosh, and I can't talk about it until it's out.

01:50:33.652 --> 01:50:35.317
Of course, of course, again, nda.

01:50:39.846 --> 01:50:41.029
There's just a hype NDA.

01:50:41.029 --> 01:50:43.277
But no, it's cool, dude, I just want to talk about all the characters because they're so good.

01:50:43.277 --> 01:50:44.479
No, no, no, no, don't give it all away.

01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:45.502
man Don't give it all away.

01:50:45.502 --> 01:50:46.005
I won't give it all away.

01:50:46.064 --> 01:50:55.860
Well, we're just here to see how you're going through this process, which is really impressive At the age of where you're at something to be proud of.

01:50:56.060 --> 01:50:56.501
I appreciate it.

01:50:56.701 --> 01:51:00.622
And that is also something you will always have over everybody else.

01:51:00.622 --> 01:51:03.871
Yeah, when they ask you, hey, what were you doing in 19?

01:51:03.871 --> 01:51:06.436
Exactly, most people will say, no, I was just trying to get by.

01:51:06.457 --> 01:51:09.664
Yeah, you can be proud to say yeah, I wrote something, yes, yeah.

01:51:10.045 --> 01:51:11.912
And you have multiple revisions.

01:51:14.090 --> 01:51:25.615
Yeah, hard for me to get through multiple, I can tell it's like it's just like the thing is the other ones I just gave up and also it was so hard so it was like they weren't that as good.

01:51:25.636 --> 01:51:40.286
Okay, but like I just couldn't bring myself to, like I was like this is a pile of crap and I can't do it well but now I like what I made you know but then with this green play, it's just one of the hardest part is how are you able to?

01:51:40.286 --> 01:51:47.109
How are you going to be able to tell yourself that it's good enough, because just like what film and editing it's great.

01:51:47.109 --> 01:51:50.016
But you always have this naggy sense but it could be better.

01:51:50.016 --> 01:51:52.250
How do you know that?

01:51:52.250 --> 01:51:53.493
What could be better could?

01:51:53.493 --> 01:52:00.076
It's something that might damage the quality of europe yeah, no, you're good, okay, all'm just saying.

01:52:00.095 --> 01:52:07.213
It's like how are you able to manage the, the idea of the fact that your script is already good enough, but you feel like it could be better, without knowing that.

01:52:07.213 --> 01:52:08.298
What could be better?

01:52:08.298 --> 01:52:13.328
It could be something that could damage the overall quality of your story exactly okay.

01:52:13.569 --> 01:52:29.694
so with it it's like everything that I've made right has things that when I watch it I'm like that's what's really good about editing and stuff like that, because you can still see the things that you don't exactly like yes.

01:52:29.694 --> 01:52:31.951
But when people are like, that's really cool.

01:52:31.951 --> 01:52:32.493
That's really cool.

01:52:32.493 --> 01:52:33.295
I like what you did there.

01:52:33.295 --> 01:52:33.536
Yeah.

01:52:33.845 --> 01:52:46.329
And also giving you a negative opinion, but the thing is, the positive stuff happens way more than the negative stuff.

01:52:46.329 --> 01:52:47.533
The more you work on it, you know what I mean.

01:52:47.533 --> 01:52:50.720
Yes, and with when it comes to a screenplay, it's like I've shown it to enough people that they actually genuinely like it.

01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:58.247
I genuinely like it, and there are some things that definitely could be spruced up, especially when it comes to budgetary things, because there's some things in there.

01:52:58.307 --> 01:53:16.592
I don't know if I can do genuinely, I don't know, yeah, um, but ganesh, ganesh, because he's showed me a few of like the renders that he's made and he's actually I need to show you he's got the beginnings of a flight sequence started and it is so good, oh wow is wow.

01:53:17.134 --> 01:53:19.738
Is it like the Star Wars X-Fighters?

01:53:19.738 --> 01:53:20.779
Yeah.

01:53:22.645 --> 01:53:23.467
It's like my.

01:53:23.467 --> 01:53:35.849
So the angel's wing is kind of like a giant X-wing kind of, Except it's got two independently rotating wings that flip around and stuff like that and it's all rigged, it's all rendered and it's ready to go and it looks so good.

01:53:36.251 --> 01:53:38.150
Sorry guys, you can't see what I'm going to say.

01:53:38.150 --> 01:53:41.806
No to go, and it looks so good.

01:53:41.806 --> 01:53:42.850
Sorry guys, you can't see what I'm gonna say.

01:53:42.850 --> 01:53:45.275
No, no, actually that leads to the uh, last few questions about the hybrid, this um.

01:53:45.275 --> 01:53:51.234
Now, when you get to this point, how have you have you started um making plans for when you start pitching?

01:53:51.234 --> 01:54:00.032
Because eventually there will be a point where maybe I can't do everything on my own maybe I need some financial help so you know that that path could be a Kickstarter.

01:54:00.626 --> 01:54:02.654
You can even go to a studio and pitch it to them.

01:54:02.654 --> 01:54:05.673
What does that look like for you, without giving too much details away?

01:54:05.673 --> 01:54:08.672
How are you planning on getting that stage?

01:54:08.752 --> 01:54:09.014
ready.

01:54:09.014 --> 01:54:10.886
So here's the thing I have.

01:54:10.886 --> 01:54:21.564
I spent like two months I'm not even exaggerating there Like two months perfecting an Indiegogo page and it not even exaggerating there Like two months, damn.

01:54:22.324 --> 01:54:23.668
Perfecting an Indiegogo page, and it's all.

01:54:23.748 --> 01:54:25.252
Indiegogo and it's all done.

01:54:25.252 --> 01:54:30.275
But the thing is, I got to the end and I'm like dude, am I ready?

01:54:30.275 --> 01:54:31.386
Am.

01:54:31.386 --> 01:54:46.900
I ready and it's like the thing is, what I found is I don't think I'm ready to ask money for people unless I, number one, have a solid cast and crew in play already.

01:54:47.244 --> 01:54:53.997
Because if I cannot find a Solomon and I cannot find a Bo, the end product is not going to work.

01:54:53.997 --> 01:55:06.101
And I know that it's not going to work unless I find the perfect, the perfect people for and if I can and I'm, I think I've sent like what about approval concept?

01:55:06.101 --> 01:55:06.523
A proof.

01:55:06.523 --> 01:55:16.331
Well, the idea is that, yeah, I want to, but the thing is it's like I mean it's the same way with deadpool yeah, yeah, exactly apple would never have been made until r.

01:55:16.551 --> 01:55:22.265
Yeah, he leaked the footage of Deadpool.

01:55:22.265 --> 01:55:23.971
And look where we are.

01:55:24.265 --> 01:55:28.134
We're literally having a movie with Deadpool and Wolverine Exactly.

01:55:28.213 --> 01:55:28.855
Yeah, totally.

01:55:29.396 --> 01:55:35.054
Yeah, you're right, and it's like, when it comes to that, it's like I don't.

01:55:35.054 --> 01:55:37.578
I have scenes that I'm like, okay, I could film this.

01:55:37.759 --> 01:55:37.918
Yeah.

01:55:38.185 --> 01:55:55.475
I could do this out of budget or out of pocket, and I need to again, I need to sell the chemistry between Solomon and Bo and I need to find those people first before I start asking for money, and I am offering that to the camera.

01:55:55.475 --> 01:56:03.029
If anybody thinks that they look like Austin Butler or Grace Van Dyne, give me a.

01:56:03.029 --> 01:56:06.778
Dm call or whatever Literally anything.

01:56:06.778 --> 01:56:09.132
My email is babyspielberg at gmailcom.

01:56:09.132 --> 01:56:11.733
That is genuinely open for you guys.

01:56:12.966 --> 01:56:16.634
Or I don't know if you made it but highrathattrilogycom.

01:56:17.266 --> 01:56:19.454
Oh, that's not a bad idea actually.

01:56:20.564 --> 01:56:22.360
Just put everything into one place, so highrathattrilogycom, because I, oh, that's not a bad idea.

01:56:22.360 --> 01:56:22.631
Yeah, just put everything into one place.

01:56:22.631 --> 01:56:24.052
So hirathattrilogycom.

01:56:24.052 --> 01:56:25.034
Yeah, yeah.

01:56:25.034 --> 01:56:25.375
Wow.

01:56:25.375 --> 01:56:27.800
But, yeah, going on, so you're still.

01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:31.164
Basically, you still need to find the right to people which will determine.

01:56:31.305 --> 01:56:39.676
Well, technically right, like five, which is it's a cast that are more characters that I have talked about a little bit.

01:56:39.676 --> 01:56:41.311
I probably could go into detail about them.

01:56:41.926 --> 01:56:43.494
Hey, don't spoil the surprise.

01:56:43.494 --> 01:56:44.461
I won't spoil it yet.

01:56:44.461 --> 01:56:45.045
Yes, keep it.

01:56:45.445 --> 01:56:52.875
But right now, sal and Bo are the leads and if I can't get a real bond, you need the chemistry.

01:56:52.875 --> 01:56:58.096
I need the chemistry, I need to feel that these are the perfect people.

01:56:58.305 --> 01:57:08.408
And I can't find anyone else on the planet, which is a giant thing to ask, right, yeah, but it's doable and I'm.

01:57:08.408 --> 01:57:22.171
I have been putting in the work I've been sending out literally on like freaking Facebook and stuff like that, like, hey, here or here's all the descriptions and stuff like that here or some or that I've had commissioned and stuff like that.

01:57:22.231 --> 01:57:27.011
I need to find these people yes and I probably should look into a casting agency.

01:57:27.011 --> 01:57:29.216
Um, I don't know.

01:57:29.216 --> 01:57:35.117
I've looked into some, I don't know, I don't know who to look into.

01:57:35.237 --> 01:57:41.132
Really, I think, I think you're still working towards that stage and I think, you're the time of doing that.

01:57:41.132 --> 01:57:42.617
Right now is not right.

01:57:42.617 --> 01:57:42.976
Yeah.

01:57:43.484 --> 01:57:46.890
Because, you know, like you said, it's probably predestined right now.

01:57:47.011 --> 01:57:51.600
Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly, it's predestined yeah yeah, yeah, totally, totally yeah.

01:57:51.600 --> 01:58:01.456
Well now, we're not going to spoil everything, guys, but do you have anything else that you want to say about that trilogy of yours, any last words that you've been dying to talk about and want to share?

01:58:01.456 --> 01:58:03.118
I'm thinking, I'm thinking.

01:58:04.059 --> 01:58:09.890
NDA, nda, nda, nda, okay.

01:58:09.890 --> 01:58:11.533
You can't pick, I'm going to.

01:58:11.533 --> 01:58:12.515
Okay, there's a lot.

01:58:12.515 --> 01:58:17.756
There's a lot yeah, okay.

01:58:17.777 --> 01:58:18.801
No pressure, you don't have to.

01:58:18.820 --> 01:58:29.671
no, I'm thinking, I'm thinking because there's a lot, but I'm trying to think like what would be the most interesting, like tidbit of information, everything about it is interesting, dude, it's fairly interesting yeah, do you say fairly, it's fairly interesting.

01:58:29.671 --> 01:58:30.113
But you're.

01:58:30.524 --> 01:58:31.689
You're underselling yourself.

01:58:31.689 --> 01:58:32.493
What the fuck?

01:58:32.686 --> 01:58:40.952
you gotta stop doing that shit um honestly, I think I've, I think I've, I think I've pitched a little bit enough, okay.

01:58:40.952 --> 01:58:43.037
Okay, I have stuff out there.

01:58:43.037 --> 01:58:44.688
I I don't know.

01:58:44.688 --> 01:58:47.854
There are other really cool things in the thing, but I don't.

01:58:47.873 --> 01:59:02.007
Yeah, okay, just just you know let the work speak for itself just yeah, yeah, all right we're gonna end it up with that I could say it's um supernaturally good but we'll let his progress, uh, speak for itself.

01:59:02.007 --> 01:59:08.469
If you want to keep up with the um, the progress, you can follow him on his youtube channel as well as instagram.

01:59:08.469 --> 01:59:12.818
Baby spielberg, um, and he also what is it do you have?

01:59:12.818 --> 01:59:16.712
Yeah, it's you can.

01:59:16.832 --> 01:59:18.176
You can find it through my instagram.

01:59:18.176 --> 01:59:19.497
Yeah, it's all in there.

01:59:19.559 --> 01:59:28.429
So keep up with his progress and um, please consider um helping him out, because you guys can clearly see he's very, very, very passionate.

01:59:28.750 --> 01:59:36.779
That's not something you don't get very often so I want to thank you for literally allowing me this kind of you know, this kind of platform.

01:59:36.779 --> 01:59:39.470
I love genuinely what you're doing.

01:59:39.470 --> 01:59:42.492
I think what you're doing is incredibly important.

01:59:42.492 --> 01:59:45.206
I think that you do your freaking work ethic is insane.

01:59:45.206 --> 01:59:49.235
I've seen your instagram and it's insane and like I don't know.

01:59:49.336 --> 02:00:01.600
I'm just glad to be here and I freaking want to come back because this is lit okay, well, that being said, we will have that on the um idea board that I have or no, um guest list.

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Guest list that'll be 58 now.

02:00:03.506 --> 02:00:05.752
That'll be added on the bottom and I'll go.

02:00:05.752 --> 02:00:09.108
I'll see you soon when you get up to the next line in line.

02:00:09.108 --> 02:00:12.673
Uh, now, uh, we're almost.

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We're here in the closing.

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Guys, you know that you're out.

02:00:14.998 --> 02:00:18.350
We're gonna say goodbye and never see each other again.

02:00:18.350 --> 02:00:22.475
Yes, so where can people find you again?

02:00:22.475 --> 02:00:24.899
I know you said it multiple times, but I got to do it.

02:00:25.466 --> 02:00:31.326
For the Photoshop stuff, knapp Stories, k-n-a-p-p stories, for my cinematography stuff.

02:00:31.326 --> 02:00:34.135
Just check YouTube, check Instagram.

02:00:34.135 --> 02:00:40.932
I'm mainly active on Instagram and freaking follow this guy right here.

02:00:40.932 --> 02:00:46.215
Oh my gosh, most beautifully laid out Instagram I've ever seen in my life.

02:00:46.215 --> 02:00:47.257
Holy crap.

02:00:47.257 --> 02:00:51.296
Dude knows how to format, Holy crap.

02:00:51.296 --> 02:00:52.791
And that's what I get jealous about.

02:00:52.791 --> 02:00:55.070
It's like oh my gosh, his formatting is so good.

02:00:56.585 --> 02:00:59.815
Well, let's not forget the friends that you mentioned on this podcast.

02:00:59.815 --> 02:01:04.430
You guys have supported his career and his dreams, so please keep doing that.

02:01:04.430 --> 02:01:07.328
You guys are awesome, even though I have no idea who you are.

02:01:07.408 --> 02:01:08.551
And people that I haven't mentioned.

02:01:08.551 --> 02:01:10.275
Yes, oh, yes.

02:01:10.697 --> 02:01:12.881
Yes, you are also important as well.

02:01:12.881 --> 02:01:16.295
Absolutely, it's like the end screen in the movies the credits.

02:01:19.805 --> 02:01:22.149
Can you just edit them rolling it or something like that, like full house music playing?

02:01:23.190 --> 02:01:26.095
yes, yes, um, now, what is one?

02:01:26.095 --> 02:01:31.917
Yes, you are 19, but clearly you have gone through a lot of um the process of film production.

02:01:31.917 --> 02:01:39.292
Yeah, what is one piece of advice that you know now that you would love to offer to people that want to follow in this career path?

02:01:39.292 --> 02:01:40.752
That's a good question.

02:01:41.413 --> 02:01:46.480
I would say literally go out and find people like you.

02:01:46.480 --> 02:01:48.286
I'm not even joking.

02:01:48.286 --> 02:01:55.057
Like finding people who genuinely want to make will inspire you to make.

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You know what I mean.

02:01:56.100 --> 02:01:57.451
Like I am surrounded.

02:01:57.451 --> 02:02:09.935
I'm so lucky because I'm surrounded with people that are always making cool stuff and also find it within your heart to keep going, even if you don't feel good about what you're making.

02:02:09.935 --> 02:02:13.935
Because you, dude, if I never finished that first draft, I probably would have never been there you know what I?

02:02:13.956 --> 02:02:18.672
mean, and I hated writing the second and third draft, the second, third act, but I still did it.

02:02:18.672 --> 02:02:22.534
You know, what I mean, and then I have something that I genuinely like.

02:02:22.534 --> 02:02:30.230
So it's you've got to fight through the pain, crap and this cool crap.

02:02:30.230 --> 02:02:34.052
It's sweet and again, thank you for having me on.

02:02:34.052 --> 02:02:38.416
This has been one of the coolest experiences I've had in a very long time.

02:02:39.331 --> 02:02:40.197
No, that means a lot.

02:02:40.197 --> 02:02:42.229
Wow, you are a fantastic host.

02:02:42.609 --> 02:02:45.636
Huh, you are a great host oh thank you.

02:02:45.636 --> 02:02:47.059
Yes, dude, come on.

02:02:47.619 --> 02:02:50.530
Oh my gosh thank you, that means a lot.

02:02:50.530 --> 02:02:53.277
Um, now, any last words, any last words.

02:02:53.277 --> 02:02:58.172
Give me one line.

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Give me one line that solomon says.

02:03:00.256 --> 02:03:02.501
That sounds almost close to inspiration.

02:03:03.143 --> 02:03:04.284
Oh crap, I'm going to have to look at the screen.

02:03:04.284 --> 02:03:05.971
I don't know what Han Solo did.

02:03:06.284 --> 02:03:07.912
Well, Han Solo did See you Later.

02:03:07.912 --> 02:03:12.775
What's an iconic line that you can give to us with Solomon?

02:03:12.984 --> 02:03:13.969
Crap, I'm going to have to freaking.

02:03:13.969 --> 02:03:14.471
Look through this.

02:03:14.471 --> 02:03:16.529
I'm going to look at the screen.

02:03:16.529 --> 02:03:19.768
Okay, give me a second.

02:03:19.768 --> 02:03:20.832
No, no, no, I don't have to say it.

02:03:20.832 --> 02:03:24.832
Give me like 20 minutes.

02:03:24.832 --> 02:03:27.578
He's gonna cut this yes he'll cut this.

02:03:27.578 --> 02:03:33.073
Huh, I said you can cut this right oh yeah okay, no, no, I'm just kidding.

02:03:33.073 --> 02:03:35.667
I'm just kidding, okay, I actually don't know okay.

02:03:35.686 --> 02:03:38.453
Well, what's something that Solomon would say?

02:03:38.534 --> 02:03:45.858
Would say yes, let me think I got to get into character a little bit.

02:03:45.858 --> 02:03:50.229
Okay, that's all whores.

02:03:50.229 --> 02:03:51.329
What?

02:03:51.329 --> 02:03:53.311
That's all whores.

02:03:53.992 --> 02:03:54.752
That's all whores.

02:03:54.752 --> 02:03:56.234
That's a whores.

02:03:56.234 --> 02:04:00.137
Whores Okay, very inspirational.

02:04:00.137 --> 02:04:00.957
Be a horse.

02:04:00.957 --> 02:04:02.739
No horse playing around.

02:04:02.739 --> 02:04:13.770
When it comes to your career, yeah, okay, always find good neighbors to get you through the tough times.

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Okay, that's what.

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I'm talking about.

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Yes, that's it All.

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Right, guys, subscribe to the podcast in all forms.

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That's usually my job, but thank you, mine now.

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Thank you so much for watching this episode.

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We'll have him on later down the road when I'm 35 and he's 25.

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Yay, so again, guys, if you want to see more content like this you know what he said Like subscribe and send this with all of your friends.

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We will always have guests like this to help you guys get started in your career.

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Creative all that good stuff, and I hope you all enjoyed this episode.

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That being said, my name is Kino Manuel.

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You can follow me at dpcom, at dpkino, and head record is head record, and that'll be it, kino.

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Signing off Abe also signing off.

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Yes, I love you.

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Bye, goodbye.